Rushton and Chell families of Longton

[Victor]

Thanks for your message.

You are correct in saying George Rushton's first child with Gertrude is Emily Grace.

However you have overlooked the fact that George was married before to Rose Anna Chell. This is shown in  the 1901 census and I have a copy of their marriage certificate, which took place on 24 Dec 1900 at Normacote, Staffs which I believe is a Catholic Church

George and Gertrude did not marry until 1925 4 years after their 6th child was born. Their late marriage could be due to Rose Anna being a Catholic and George had to wait until she died before he could marry Gertrude. Their marriage certificate describes George as a widower and Gertrude as a widow. But George's first marriage gives his father's name as George and his second as Thomas. Like you say.

The name Thomas could be wrong. My own father's first marriage certificate gave his father's name wrongly as Thomas when it was George.

George Rushton's grand daughter, Gillian married my nephew Robert Museth

[Victor]

There is a death of James Bell in the March quarter of 1924 on FreeBMD. This could be Gertrude's husband age 58.

[georgensteve2]

Hi there

I'm already aware of these facts however i still feel that more research needs to be done to prove the marriage to Miss Chell is correct. How have you proven this? Other marriages around that time to George Rushton included that of Lucy Simmons, Mary Russon, Martha Ann Brooks and Betsy Hassall Bould. Have these deffinately been eliminated?

I appreciate that names may have been mixed up but if this has happened then it gives a different perspective on the family tree. Have you seen a copy of George's birth certificate to verify the father?
Steve

[georgensteve2]

In relation to James Bell i believe he was born in Little Weighton. If this is the case then there is a strong suggestion that he remarried. On the 1911 Census and on the FreeBMD there was a marriage to Gertrude Annie. Has this possibility been explored?

I'm aware that it was just easier to get remarried then divorced in those days. If the name is wrong then whats to say they didn't lie about their marital status

Steve

[Victor]

Like you say all these names need to be explored and naturally checked. That was why I posted the message in the first place.

George Rushton was a professional footballer and played for Bursalem Port Vale in the early 1900's. In the 1901 census he was working  as a potters carter and his birth place was given as Longton. His wife, also born at Longton was working in a potters warehouse. The census gave both their birth year as 1881.

george then signed for Hull City and will go down in history as their first ever goal scorer. In fact he scored the first two.  This was in 1904. My own theory (purely guesswork) is that when George signed for Hull he was a lodger at the Bell family in Bean Street. His wife wouldn't move to Hull and in 1906 he made his landlady, Gertrude, pregnant. Whether James Bell was still in the house I have no idea. In 1909 George was transferred to another club (I have the details of his other clubs) but continued live in Hull. I think a check of the 1911 census should give us more details.

I have recently made a new contact with a Chell family researcher so hopefully they could tell me more.

I have not checked James Bell but YorkshireBMD shows James Bell married Gertrude Foulds in 1903 at St. James Church Hull.

[Victor]

I have done some further checking with those possible brides you have listed

George m Mary Simmons in 1900. 1901 census gives George's birth year as 1876 at Fenton
George m Martha Brooks in 1901. 1901 census gives George's birth year as 1872 at Cheadle
George m Betsy Bould in 1902 at Leek
George m Rosanna Chell in 1900. 1901 census gives George's birth year as 1800(app) at Longton

Football records shows his birth place as Longton.

I believe his first wife is very likely to be Rosanna as I have on my own records.

This still needs further searching before it can be 100% accurate.

[laurarobby]

Iv not been doing this very long and not 100% but there where 2 George Rushton's born in staffordshire around the same time. one son of thomas and one son of george His Head stone says he died in 1964 aged 82 which would mean he was born 1881/2 not 1880 could it not be that they where seperate marrages? im looking for the parents of George but even if i got the certificate i cannot be sure i have the right George rushton in the 1st place. and i dont think it gives many details on death cert!

Thanks for your message.

You are correct in saying George Rushton's first child with Gertrude is Emily Grace.

However you have overlooked the fact that George was married before to Rose Anna Chell. This is shown in  the 1901 census and I have a copy of their marriage certificate, which took place on 24 Dec 1900 at Normacote, Staffs which I believe is a Catholic Church

George and Gertrude did not marry until 1925 4 years after their 6th child was born. Their late marriage could be due to Rose Anna being a Catholic and George had to wait until she died before he could marry Gertrude. Their marriage certificate describes George as a widower and Gertrude as a widow. But George's first marriage gives his father's name as George and his second as Thomas. Like you say.

The name Thomas could be wrong. My own father's first marriage certificate gave his father's name wrongly as Thomas when it was George.

George Rushton's grand daughter, Gillian married my nephew Robert Museth

[georgensteve2]

Laura

Don't worry i have ordered the death certificate of George Rushton so that will give us a definate date of birth. Then i will order the birth certificate and we will be able to clarify all the mistery. I suspect he was born in 1882/3

Steve

[laurarobby]

Thank Steve would be greatful if you could email me a copy?? will give you some pennies towards. but i think maybe they are getting mixed up with the two especially since the Marriage certs are different and there is a thomas rushton a to much of a coincidence to be a mistake?!?