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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 18 March 20 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 18 March 20 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks! I'm working through it now  :D
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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 18 March 20 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Sorry haven't managed to get further back than that marriage unfortunately. Hugh Boyd had a son Samuel who was my great grand father.




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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #13 on: Friday 20 March 20 19:43 GMT (UK) »
In the Griffith Valuation it says that William Black was the lessor for the house of James Boyd. But it appears that William Black himself leased the land from the Marquis of Downshire. Does anyone know how that worked? (off-topic, I know but life is like that ;-)

It was just a normal subletting arrangement.  If I lease some land which has say a house and several cottages on it, I may live in the main house and sublet the cottages. 

I don’t know exactly where your Black family lived or their occupations, but if they were farmers then most farms had some labourers cottages.  The farmer (who would normally be leasing himself) would sublet those cottages, to anyone who needed them. Sometimes widows but often to labourers. The labourers sometimes paid their rent in cash, sometimes by an agreed number of days work a year on the farm and sometimes by a mix of the two.  Labourers weren’t needed much on farms in the winter so generally weren’t offered permanent work. Today we’d call them GIG economy workers. In the winter months the labourers would often do weaving work if not needed by anyone else, which gave them extra income.
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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #14 on: Friday 20 March 20 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Alexander Ferguson a widower married Mary Anne McKee in 1845
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1845/09290/5363693.pdf
Samuel Ferguson is probably from his first marriage

Yes, I figured that too ;-) Samuel was born around 1833. I am thinking that Samuel and/or Alexander had a brother James. When Alexander married Mary Ann McKee, he was 40 and she was 20ish (I had the info but not an image!). I have been able to identify 3 children for Alex and Mary Ann: The eldest, Agnes Jane Ferguson married Andrew Long.

his son Alexander
to Mary Young
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11203/8105398.pdf

Thank you for that! I didn't have that information.

To Christina Small
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10773/5928997.pdf

I did have that Alex Jr married a Christina but didn't have a maiden name, so thank you for that as well! I noted the daughter Susanna and a son Alexander (b 1891). The marriage entries in both marriages, however, indicate that Alexander was a bachelor, not a widower for the marriage to Christina, which poses a bit of a problem.

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Glassdrummon/Magheraknock/1238258/
Susanna is his daughter from Mary Young

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Glasdrumman/Magheraknock/247447/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p7e/

Selina
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11350/8166693.pdf

I had also found that Selina had married a Robert Ferguson. Curious to know how the two families may (or may not - it's a common name) be related!

Anyway, you've provided me with some new information so I'll investigate further... Thanks again  :)
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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 March 20 21:30 GMT (UK) »
It was just a normal subletting arrangement.  If I lease some land which has say a house and several cottages on it, I may live in the main house and sublet the cottages. 

That makes sense. I just don't want to assume anything because I am really not very familiar with life in Northern Ireland in the 19th century!
I don’t know exactly where your Black family lived or their occupations, but if they were farmers then most farms had some labourers cottages.
My great-aunt tried to provide me with as much family history as she could remember (this was back in the 80s - and she was born in 1898) Her father was the son of Samuel Ferguson who left NI with his young family before 1881 - they settled in Workington (CUL)  The Black reference is vague but I've learned to never discard family stories... I wrote down that somebody's wife was Agnes Black, daughter of Sir Black. And I think Samuel had a brother or uncle who was a minister. So as you can see I am just trying to piece together a few very indistinct pieces of a puzzle!

 The farmer (who would normally be leasing himself) would sublet those cottages, to anyone who needed them. Sometimes widows but often to labourers. The labourers sometimes paid their rent in cash, sometimes by an agreed number of days work a year on the farm and sometimes by a mix of the two.  Labourers weren’t needed much on farms in the winter so generally weren’t offered permanent work. Today we’d call them GIG economy workers. In the winter months the labourers would often do weaving work if not needed by anyone else, which gave them extra income.
[/quote] Yes, and James Boyd was a weaver so it would also make sense he would just rent a house. In Ballymurphy he rented from a William Black who rented from the Marquess of Downshire. I'm wondering if the John Boyd, who also rented land from the Marquess was close family to James Boyd. One day I'll make it over to Ireland! Maybe then I will be able to figure things out more easily! In the mean time, these bits and pieces of information help me understand the social landscape a little better. THanks for you input!
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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 21 March 20 08:22 GMT (UK) »
Death of Mary Young/Ferguson 1885 wife of Alexander informant Mary Anne Ferguson mother in law
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06281/4799690.pdf

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Re: Samuel Cowan
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 21 March 20 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again, dathai, for taking the time to look these up. Your searches are very effective! It would seem that I still haven't quite got the hang of this site, although I did find that two of the Long daughters married Cairnsduff brothers! Also that Selina's husband Robert remarried in 1881 - The year that Selina died after 2 yrs of ill health.

Given that Alexander Ferguson isn't particularly an uncommon name, my only concern is the marriage record to Christina states that Alex was a bachelor; it isn't inconceivable that there were two Alexanders in the same vicinity - cousins perhaps. But I guess the fact that they "both" had fathers named Alexander makes that much less likely! Still, odd that the younger Alex wasn't designated a widower for the marriage to Christina, since he already had a child... but then I suppose civil records aren't as intimate as church records. Sorry - just trying to work through the logistics!!!

You mentioned that Mary was the mother of Susanna. This would make sense if Alex married Mary in 1875 and also that the son Alex, born around 1891, was the son of Christina if Alex married her 1888, after Mary's death in 1885. I was unable to locate the birth record for either Susanna (1877) or Alex Jr. Were you more successful or did you extrapolate on the basis of the two marriages?

Cheers   :)
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