Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher

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At a later date I want to map out all the women Wilsher who have kids...

So I could proably help trace her kids...

I have not tried looking at her yet though. This research project has become a bit of a  obsession for me. I have just made it past the 100 certificates of b/m/d mark... With long term goals of hitting the 1000 certificate mark for Wilsher and connecting Romani / none Romani families.

If you need help feel free to message me on anctresy and I'll try and help.

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would you know about the Boswells of the 1860s who new the Wilshaws Yorkshire way, you know i am writing these last yeares much about Dan from Selston as in buried there and Sarah buried in Nottingham, you know the history of the Josephs more than anyone, well i found a record of a Joseph up in court from the middle 1800s with a Sarah Boswell them both fighting against other Gipsies, you know old Sarah was burried from st Marys in my place same as my own Mother, history is true but lies are true to, to learn of everything is a truth indeed, would you tell of which Joseph and which line of the Boswells did Sarah from the middle 1800s come from,

i do hope you are well, from michael x

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Hi,

Hope all is well too, I’m not to bad.

Boswell/wilsher connection

On Fred wilsher’s marriage certificate, son of Joseph/Marie, he states Joseph’s surname as Boswell Wilsher...

Also on my DNA we have distance match to a Boswell from the Viney Boswell family tree Book R&TFHS,
In that same book there is a Sarah wilsher married a Noah Boswell.

The match I have from that tree is on a different branch from Sarah and Noah, so there has to be a common ancestor between Wilsher's and Boswell family. I am about 90% sure Sarah Wilsher is part of the bigger family.

Other then that I don’t know much else I’m afraid, I have not seen any census or marriages... I would be extremely interested in reading the news article of Joseph and a Boswell fright together.

Cheers,

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Sky

This is an extract from the report i was telling you of, i will write back later with more surrounding information



Saturday 31 August 1867
 Wakefield Free Press
  Yorkshire


LOCAL AND DISTRICT
 
A Row Among The Gipsies.—At the Court House, yesterday, before J. B. Charlesworth and Percy Tow, Esqs., a man named Joseph Wilshaw and a woman named Sarah Boswell were placed in the dock charged with assaulting a woman named Mrs. Cunningham. Mr. Gill prosecuted, and Mr. Clough defended. A large number of witnesses were examined, and it appeared that on Thursday, the 22nd inst., the husband of complainant had exchanged a pony for a donkey with another man, and they went into the Grey Horse public-house at Whitwood Mere, to have some beer on the head of it. While there a quarrel took place. and the landlady, Mrs. White, put them out. On this Cunningham struck Mrs. White, and she asked if there was an Englishman that would protect her. Wilshaw then struck Cunningham, and a general row among the parties took place, the combatants being gipsies. Mrs. Cunningham came up at the time, and saw her husband being ill-treated, on which she threw herself on him to protect him, and was then assautted by the two defendants. Complainant ; produced a quantity of hair that had been pulled out of her head, and she appeared to have been fearfully used, various parts ot her body being very much marked……………........................ 

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You said on your DNA you have a distance match to a Boswell from the Viney Boswell family tree Book R&TFHS,
In that same book there is a Sarah wilsher married a Noah Boswell.


is this below the same people in the time scale, plus in the same year and area there is also a Sarah with a Williams gal, i am sure you said you was related to the Williams from years back, its best to keep everything in mind evan if the people turn out to be of a different line of families, you always get to learn of the bigger picture

Saturday 24 May 1862
  Northwich Guardian
  Cheshire

 Alleged Robbery by Gipsies.  Priscilla Smith, Mary Ann Smith, and Sarah Boswell, travelling gipsies, were charged with stealing a purse containing 10s. from a cupboard in the house of Thomas Buckley, of Widnes, during the temporary absence of the inmates on the 17th instant. They were discharged, the evidence not being satisfactory.
Noah Boswell (husband of Sarah Boswell) was charged with obstructing police sergeant Brown in the execution his duty whilst conveying the above prisoners to the Town Hall, St. Helens, on Monday, the 19th instant. The charge being fully proved he was fined with costs,which was immediately paid.

Wednesday 18 June 1862
 Preston Chronicle
  Lancashire

LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
 Two gipsies, named Sarah Boswell and Sophia Williams, were then charged with fortune telling on the I4th inst.-Mr. Bond, who defended the prisoners, questioned .................. defendants, according to the witnesses, they had foretold that they would be married soon to rich young men, and that especially Miss Kitchen would................
 

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I just wanted to show you this, you are right when you look for answers like you did for the (Nelsons-Neilsons) saying you found some down London way but the record stating they were showmen, this made you hesitate for the reason London is miles away and showmen are supposed to be of their own breed, all this may be right but you must search with an opened mind, look at the next few posts, on this record below the people are stating how they travel right from the North of Britain to the far South so you are quite right to cast your net far, nine out of ten times you may be wrong but you was right to look.

20 February 1888
 Dundee Courier
 Angus
 Scotland

  The Rival Curious Revelations of Tramp Life. —Two brothers named respectively Eli Boswell and Lewis Boswell, hawkers, were brought before the Dundee Police Court Saturday charged with committing a breach of the peace, and assaulting a hawker named Nelson Boswell in the Old Cattle Market, Dundee, on Friday night. In the course of the trial some strange phases of tramp life were disclosed. The parties belong to that nomad class of hawkers, who travel the  country, and live in waggons. Though bearing the same name, and following the same mode of life, the complainer and the accused said there was no relationship between them. Jealousy was the cause of the fracas. Lewis and Nelson were rivals for the affections of a fair hawker named Lily Smith, and for her sake Nelson was threatened with a “good hiding.” Lily appeared in the witness box, and said she had lived five or six years with Lewis, and had as good as six children by him. They were never married, but she did as good by him as any wife, but now she had left him, and was living with Nelson. She was never married to Lewis, and was as free to him to any other man. Lewis had got another wife, and he left Lily in Glasgow, and went away with the other young woman. Lily then joined her fortunes with Nelson, who with his mother and brothers had a waggon and a business of their own. they went to England, and travelled all over the country, and were as far south as London. They believed that Lewis and his brother were following after them, and so to get peace they came to Dundee about two months ago, and had been living in the Cattle Market. Friday night the other Boswells arrived at Dundee, an took up their quarters in the Cattle Market also. Lily said she knew when they “coombed” together there would be a fight . (Laughter.) a few threats and angry words were exchanged between the rivals when they met,  whereupon old Mrs Boswell, the mother of Nelson, anxious for peace, dispatched a messenger for the police. After hearing the evidence the Bailie found Eli guilty of assault only, and fined him 10s, 6d, with the option of seven days in prison. The charge  against Lewis was dismissed not proven.

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This is also to help you, now when you said the Nelsons down London way were showmen and true they most probably are and true maybe not at all the people you are researching, well, don't be put of by label's, hawker showman pedlar horse dealer means nothing as in that is truly who the people are, if people are related and known in the Gipsy community they are from the Gipsies, sometimes you say things like they are now known as hawkers but once were Gipsies, look at some of these records i found, i bet at least one of them although they are stated as being showmen well i think at least one will be of the Gipsies, i have a pal who's from the Newark way they call the Lincolnshire lot the flatlanders, my pal as still a catapult and dogs like bull lurchers and the gamest dog of all the great Patterdale, well his old people were once mostly Potters, i found them related to families like the smiths and their history is old, in Yorkshire they say pot hawkers or earthenware dealers, i found myself in the Nottinghamshire press the word potters is greatly used in the older press records, i think most people have yet to understand the true meaning of genealogy, Gipsy people mixed with others over the yeares and did lots of jobs, the Gipsies will still be Gipsies, do not ever look at a lable and think the lable defines the person, so now look at these below, maybe they are all not of the Gipsies but remember in your research trust not the lable, i hope i have helped you with this and will put more on for you soon about the records of the Wilshers i have found, remember also they are named Wiltshaw, and evan maybe Walshaw, i will show you some soon, before i finish my writings i wish i would of been of help to you

Friday 25 September 1953
  Jedburgh Gazette
   Roxburghshire
    Scotland

For driving a van with an expired Road Fund licence on 31st March. in Woodmarket, Kelso. Ashanny Boswell. showman and general dealer. 43 Water St, Carlisle, was fined............... 


  Thursday 15 September 1932
   Western Mail
    Glamorgan
     Wales

 FELL UNDER VAN Skewen Victim of Attacks of Giddiness A verdict of Accidental death was returned at an inquest at Skewen on Wednesday on John Jenkins (69), of Newroad, Skewen, who was run over and fatally injured by a van owned by David Edward Boswell travelling showman.............
 

Saturday 21 October 1933
  Falkirk Herald
  Stirlingshire
  Scotland

 fine of £3 was imposed on Walter Boswell, showman, the Show Ground, 305 Main Street, Bellshill, for a contravention of the Road Traffic Act, committed at Stenhousemuir during the Tryst Fair............ 


Friday 23 October 1857
  Durham Chronicle
  Durham 

John Boswell, showman, was killed on Friday by falling before the wheels of a waggon which he was driving across Sunderland bridge towards Southwick..............
 

Thursday 09 July 1936
  Southern Reporter
  Selkirkshire 
  Scotland

Thomas Boswell, a young showman, who was charged on 15th July. 1935 with obtaining board and lodging in Selkirk without paying.....................
 

 08 August 1932
 Dundee Evening Telegraph
  Angus
Scotland

Mrs Robina Boswell wife of Albert  Boswell, showman, was admonished for erecting dwelling quarters in the children's park at Bassaguard. St Andrews ...............
 
   Saturday 22 October 1932
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire

 SHOP-DOOR STRUGGLE.
PLUCKY ILKESTON WOMAN AND INTRUDER.
ALLEGED ATTEMPT TO ROB TILL.

Described as a showman, Albert Booth, 58, of no fixed abode, was remanded in custody at Ilkeston, yesterday, a charge of attempting to steal a sum money belonging to Mrs. A.....................

i will write back soon with more help, thank you for sharing your research i have listened to all your words and appreciate your time

michael

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Alverthorpe, i know its just a name but like you found Smith Field, this is another massive one, its up that way above Sheffield, i have come to know the South Sheffield lands of the Wilshers through Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire but up that way just below Leeds if my mind sees right i found lots of connecting records, Nottingham is easy for me in the stopping placers, but Yorkshire is revealing much more now, i have also done some looking for the ones that went the Newark way 

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I spoke with the DNA match, he was directly from the Boswell family and said he knew of Wilshers’ camping in an area, in the past.

The Sarah Wilsher who married Noah Boswell is in the same extended Viney tree too...  I did attempt to trace where/If Sarah Wilsher Fitted in to the larger Wilsher tree, but had no luck.

That news article is really interesting, of Sarah and Joseph, also the Sarah and Noah one. There is defo a connection between the two families, I’d say late 1700s to early 1800s.