Wilsher blood line, Nottingham, Joseph Wilsher

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Hi Michael wow lucky you Barbados Will pop on from time to time for when you have posted keep well:)

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That saved me a job, If you have a email I can sent you the death certificate of Maria Wilsher nee Hartley, plus the birth, marriage and death of Rebecca Wilsher.

 Thank you very much, i am very grateful for such a kind offer, thank you, when i am finished writing about a few things i will put everything on for you, not just you i want to help all people evan in the future who are related to the people we talk about, i want them to know of the peoples, its a hard job for if its all new to a person i dont think that person would have a feel for the truth, that's why i write to bring the feel, to many, nearly everyone writes just for themselves, its a narrow train of thought, that's how i see others writings, you just can not imagine how many story's of many Gipsy family's throughout Britain i have researched, i have listened to certain people over the yeares say certain things as to how the truth is, would it do any good for me to just destroy them with the real truth, well they try and destroy dead Gipsy people with the peddling false narrative of what they think is the best way for themselves to look good, that's what genealogy is for many just an opputunity for people to show of or look good, no matter the truth, no matter what you left out, no matter the lies, lots of people are not evan proud of the dead, they say things like, ho look that's one of mine, ho and look wasn't they a naughty lot, herrm, they say, and move on to more cold census reports, just like the cold war memorials that no one bothers about, i write for the truth, the trouble is no one or most dont like the truth, it ruffles them, agitates them, i want everyone who as an interest in all the genealogy history of all the Gipsy peoples to know the real truth, like the Woman would do lots of the work in getting money, i new this from being born, then when i came on the internet i started listening about how a Woman stays at home cleaning all these pots and hoovering all the time, and them so proud of it to, when did that start happening, in the olden times the Gipsy Woman was the bread winner, the back bone of the family, crafty cunning, fantastic, this is how i see it, many times they were treated real bad and evan hammered rotten, let people today live there truth of today, i dont write for them, they can write there own cleaning pots and hoovering talk, sure there wasn't evan hoovers around yeares ago, like a woman got up and started Brillo padding the tent, sure everyone would have thought she was crackers, how can people think the way they do, i will write of real history with the real proof of family storeys that i was told and now backed up with hard evidence that what i was told was true, the Gipsy Family's have been systematically lied about for yeares and not a person is one bit put out about this, well i will try and help any relative of mine who in the futures feels the need to see through the rubbish that has been wrote, and lots alive now from old Gipsy Family's believe the false narrative for sometimes it makes them look good at the expense of the wider Gipsy community, no one really wants to respect the Dead Gipsies, that's fair enough, they can write as they feel, i am just trying my best the way i feel, i have lots more to learn and write about, i respect and understand all the dead, keep up the good work, thank you again i find the information you have posted over these months most helpfull

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Re: Ward family Nottingham
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 February 19 14:14 GMT (UK) »
A  Albert Ward 1898-1981 marriage my 1st cousin 4 x removed Rebekah... Rebekah Wilsher Settled in Nottingham along with many other Romani gypsy Wilsher/Wilshaw/Wiltshire/Wilshire. Not sure if Albert would be linked to your Ward's though.   

Hi Sky, you have talked a few times regarding Albert Ward, firstly my Mother said to me one day while we were talking of the history of people, well she said Albert Ward told her he was related to a family named Copestake, now how mad is this, well I was researching and found a Albert Ward fitting the dateline, and guess what, hes living with his Grandmar at a place not far from where we talk of, its called Copstake Yard,


 Tuesday 30 May 1922
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire
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 SNATCHED A BAG.
HAWKER'S IMPUDENT THEFT IN NOTTINGHAM STREET.

Albert Ward (22). a hawker, 3, Cope-stake yard, St. Ann's Well-road, Nottingham, was sentenced to a month's imprisonment by Nottingham magistrate's yesterday for stealing a handbag and a purce containing 3s. and a cigarette case, etc., valued at £2. from Mrs. Ethel M. Tomlinson she said that Ward, whom she knew, came up to her on Long-row last Thurday afternoon, and asked her to go to the pictures with him. She refused, and shortly afterwards he snatched her bag, containing the money, etc., from her and ran away. She caught him up on Smith's  he denied ever having had the bag She had him arrested. He bad been drinking. Ward said that it was through the drink that he committed the theft. He also pleaded guilty to a charge of failing to observe the conditions of his probation under which the court placed him in April. The probation officer said that Ward lived with his grandmother, to whom he had been a lot of trouble to. The magistrates ordered a payment to Mrs Tomlinson out of the £3 odd found on Ward

Albert ran with the Gipsies from beying young, he new the Wilshers well and they trained him up good, one day somone may find out that one of his parents is related to a family named Copestake, Albert was a legend yeares ago, the Gipsies named him “Lino” its true, history says he was one of the best at the Lino game, one day one of my brothers told me when they was young they went with Albert to the old central market, its gone now, well Albert nudged my brother and said  look chavay, do you fancy some eggs for dinner, he would also talk more in the Gipsy words but I will not write them on here for its not good to do that, and then Albert started talking to one of the market men selling eggs, he said to the barrowboy, “ Here my good man, would you be having any cracked eggs for an old war veteran” the barrow boy scanned old Albert over and said “ never mind cracked eggs sir, put these in the bag and look after yourself now” Albert and my brother had a good dinner that day, and it never evan cost nothing, he would do tricks like that, the strange thing he had thousands of pounds hidden in his house, my Mother told him of bad for doing it, he was old then and my Mother said another relative visited and robbed some, but I wont mention their name, Alberts house had all that dark furniture that they used to have, and a giant leopard ornament, and little stuffed birds in big glass jars, plus he had a bird in a cage, but he left the door open and it used to fly around the house, he cooked rotten food to, I would not touch it, it was cows or sheep's brain, it was bubbling in a pot of water, how rubbish is that, and a thing called tripe, no way would I eat that, he cooked his eggs on a piece of tin foil under the grill,

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 He had the Gipsy kneck tie on and always a dark suit, plus a big hat, if you talk in the cant you may call it a “kadey” Albert could talk good cant as well as the Gipsy talk, it all sounded the same to me, my Mother said to me that her Mother and Grandmar would talk the Gipsy talk all the time about everyday things, that’s how I learned them, for my Mother did the same, she was very young when her mam died, it was a very bad time for my Mother, she told me of these times, it took about a year for her Mother to die, she got a illness inside after being assaulted, my Mother tried to find out what happened, but no one would tell my Mother, my own Mother to died from the same inside illness, she to had it brought on when she was walking past Sneinton Market when a big door of a freezer lorry swung open fast and struck her, that was the beginning of the end for my Mother, well guess what I found this record below
 
Thursday 10 April 1941
  Nottingham Evening Post
 Nottinghamshire 


 Nottm. Assault Charge George Smith, of Keswick-street, Sneinton, appeared at the Nottingham Summons Court to-day, and pleaded not guilty to assaulting Rebecca Holmes, of Clarence-street, on March 31st ...  Rebecca Holmes said Smith entered her house, kicked her on the leg, and gave her a black eye. Smith was bound over to be of good behaviour for a year in the sum of £5, and ordered to pay 4s. costs


I wander if it’s the same Gipsy Smith family line we would visit, they said we were cousins, one of them was named Sid, like one of the Smiths from the Keswick street storys below, my Mother was very fond of them all, there are lots of Smiths around the town in the times of the Wilshers, in the record it is stated that the fellow was named Goerge Smith of Keswick street, thats just over the road from everybody and just over the road from where I was born, well I have found records relating to this family of Smiths, i wander are they of the Gipsies, are they related to the Wilshers or who are they related to, I have many records of the Smiths this way and the Wilshers, I can not yet put their names together in storys, I can George well Gipsy George Smith, I don’t know which George is the fellow in the record above, he may be a local man, and what was he doing there, and more why did everyone alive keep the truth from my Mother, hopfully one day I will learn the truth, old Joeseph Wilsher who you write about seems to settle first in Nottingham, Williams lot were still on the go traverling about the Shires, wild they was, I will soon put every record I have on of all the Wilshers to help you understand, then I will be off, I will finnish the Gipsy Roll of Honour page, that will not take long now for I have all the names ready, I will not put up lots of storys of there wider familys becourse if I do I will never get to finnish, I will let others add things if they wish and also if I missed any names out, others in the future can enlarge the page, but at least it will be a start,
So next I will put the records on I found about the things I have been telling you, everything is just extracts, you must signe up to the Newspaper Archives web site for the fuller more indeph transcript, I will not be here much longer

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Friday 28 December 1923
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire 
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 a charge of larceny against two Nottingham men. Albert Ward and William Wiltshire, both of 22. Woburn-street, hawkers, and they were discharged.  They were jointly then charged with stealing a piece of linoleum the property of James Todd, Dealer, Leicester, at Ilkeston, on 20 December 
 

  Friday 13 June 1924
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire
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Albert Ward (24), of 22. Woburn-Street, Nottinghan. who, along with Frank Wiltshire (23), of the same address, both hawkers, were at Nottingham's Guildhall yesterday charged with stealing 18 yards of linoleum, value £9 13s. 6d. Nottingham, the two men visited Messrs shop on 4 June, offering to buy remnants of lino. They were told none was on offer they went away, but later returned and and during the temporary absence of the student, helped themselves to a roll of 18 yards and walked off. It was later discovered in a yard in Castle-gate,  Police-constable Greasley said on the 31 May they were stated to have called at Herbert Shepherd with a roll of lino which they alleged measured 12 yards, Shepherd gave them £2 15., but subsequently ascertained that there was only six yards, The prisoners accused each other of being the real thief, and in regard to the “trick” charge, declared they gave no guarantees. They were each sent to  Prison for three months for the theft of the lino. In the second charge they were given the benefit of the doubt


Friday 11 June 1926
    Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 
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DISCHARGED WITH A WARNING.
 FAILURE OF PROSECUTION AGAINST NOTTM. HAWKERS.

A somewhat unusual charge of attempting to obtain 10s by false pretences was against two hawkers at the Nottingham  Guildhall today. They were Albert Ward. 26, 113 Red Lion-street, and Frank Wiltshire, 23, of 22 Woburn-street. and R. A. Young, who defended them, pleadad not guilty. Charles Pratt, 4, Castle-square. Houndsgate. said they called at his house and offered him   eight yards of inlaid lino,  saying they had been working for a Leeds firm at Castle-boulevard and that the stuff was the remnant of a job. , Pratt was suspicious that the stuff had been stolen, and first refused to buy it for the £4 which was asked, but subsequently agreed a price and gave them a deposit of 15s.6d., asking them to call again. In the meantime he informed the police, and when the men returned Detective-officers Winfield and Blakey met them. They Both ran away, but were caught, and subsequently admitted that they had not been doing a job for a Leeds firm on Castleboulevard.It was stated that there were 5 yards in the roll, and not 8 yards, an expert said it was printed linoleum, and worth about 27s.6d. in reply to Mr. Young, Pratt said they allowed him to look at the stuff, and agreed that if his wife, who was out at the time, did not approve of it, he would of returned his 15s 6d. deposit. Mr. Young argued that the puffing of wares was not an offence. He agreed that commercial tricks of that sort were not commendable, and perhaps there ought to be some limit to the margin of profit that could be obtained, but the case did not amount to fraud, Pratt was left with the stuff to inspect it. The magistrates Dr Blurton and Mr A. Eblerlin dismissed the case, but told accused to more careful in the future


Thursday 02 November 1933
 Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
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Oilcloth Deal Sequel. Nottingham Miner Fined £2O. a  roll of oilcloth was exhibited at the Nottingham Shire Hall yesterday, when Albert Ward (M), of Alfred-street North, Nottingham, miner, appeared on a charge of obtaining by false pretences from Harold Powell Dixon, of Midland-terrace, Stapleford. and of peddling without a hawker’s licence. Ward pleaded not guilty. Dixon said that in Octtober Ward came to his house with the oilcloth and he payed for It,  it turned out to be a smaller measurement to that which it thought he payed for,  P.c Carter said the oilcloth was four yards by two of poor quality, and valued at about 5s. Ward said that “he would like to buy it at that price”.  Supt. Rodgers-did you hit him on the head with a piece of oilcloth?—“No, I’m not Samson.” Mrs. Rebecca Holmes, pedlar, who accompanied Ward, said that when Dixon said he wanted his money back Ward said he could not give it to him after spending half an hour over the deal. a long list of previous convictions was read against Ward and the chairman. Mr J. lewin described his record as a terrible one. “i have not been in trouble for some time”. said Ward. “We notice, said the chairman, that it is now eight years since you were sent to prison for a similar offence but can’t overlook this. You will be fined or two months' imprisonment”. He was given a month to pay

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Wednesday 27 January 1937
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 
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The offenders were Maria Wiltshire, 58, housewife, of Clarence-street, and Rebecca Holmes, 38, pedlar, of Alfred-street South. They pleaded guilty, the Mother explained that she had had some friends over from Sheffield and took a drop too much. the Daughter, who wore a bunch of violets in her fur coat remembered the constable coming up to them. We had had a lot of drink and I am very sorry it has happened, she added. It was their first offence. The Chairman (Mr. W. Wesson) : The magistrates are going to be very lenient. You will be discharged

Friday 30 June 1939
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 
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THEFT BY A TRICK CHARGE
 HYSON GREEN WOMAN’S LOSS.

Albert Ward, 39, hawker, of Clarence-street, was charged at the Nottingham Guildhall to-day with stealing 14s. by means of trick from Florence Winifred Astill, of 9, St. Paul’s-terrace
 She picked him out in a Identity parade


  Friday 14 July 1939
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire  extract
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NO EVIDENCE OFFERED
 
Case Collapses When Albert Ward, 39, hawker, of 35 Clarence-street, Nottingham, appeared on remand at the Guildhall, to-day, Mr. Swift said he had advised the prosecution to offer no evidence against him. Defendant was thereupon discharged. Previously, Ward had been
 charged with stealing 14s. by means of trick from Florence W. Astill of St. Paul’s-terrace

  Thursday 10 April 1941
  Nottingham Evening Post
 Nottinghamshire 
 

 Nottm. Assault Charge George Smith, of Keswick-street, Sneinton, appeared at the Nottingham Summons Court to-day, and pleaded not guilty to assaulting Rebecca Holmes, of Clarence-street, on March 31st ...  Rebecca Holmes said Smith entered her house, kicked her on the leg, and gave her a black eye. Smith was bound over to be of good behaviour for a year in the sum of £5, and ordered to pay 4s. costs


Wednesday 20 October 1943
 Nottingham Evening Post
    Nottinghamshire 
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 WHAT IS LINO? Nottm. Hawker Fined £10 For obtaining £7 by false pretence with intent to defraud, AlbertWard, of 243, Alfred, street Central, Nottingham, hawker, was fined £10, or two months in default, at the Guildhall to-day. Det.-insp. Blakey said that defendant visited the shop of Marion Kerby, 168, Main-street, Bulwell, with a roll of what he said was rubber-lined linoleum, he had been laying lino at a public-house near by, and had some over. He told the complainant it was worth 12gns., but  but his price was £7. Because of his persistence she bought it, Complainant said she did not want the stuff. She bought it to get rid of him. She thought
it was real linoleum, and would fit her room. It was not linoleum at all, and did not fit the room. It was worth 30s. A witness in the trade material said in this case it was not linoleum, and was not rubber-lined. It was known as a felt base, and was one of the cheapest kinds of floor covering of its class that could be bought. For the piece of the size in question the selling price would be about 30s. In reply to Mr. J. E. Black, defending, witness said that customers often use the word  lino when they did not actually mean lino. Proper traders always pointed out the difference. D.C. Burrows said that when he charged defendant, the latter replied, “No false pretence” defendant denied he ever said it was rubber –lined linoleum.it was a kind of lino
and he told the complainant she was not under any obligation to buy, Mr black submitted that complainant admitted that she saw what she was buying, and the word “linoleum” coverd a number of floor coverings. Blakey said defendant had been known to them since 1919, and had been a fairly regular customer ever since. Mr. Black pointed out that since 1937 defendant had been going straight

Saturday 11 May 1946
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 
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RUG THIEF FINED
 “ I took them out at dinner time.” His companion, Albert Ward, 46, a hawker, of 243, Alfred-street Central, was charged with receiving the rugs, and was sent to prison for four months. Ward denied all knowledge of the rugs, 
  It was stated that Ward had been before the court 11 times since 1922, mainly on charges of false ... pretences

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Saturday 29 April 1933
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 
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LOCAL HAPPENINGS
At the Nottingham Guildhall, to-day, giving evidence Thomas Smith,- 58, hawker, of Henry-place. Keswick-street, who was fined for being drunk in charge of a pony in Clumber-street yesterday
 
 Thursday 13 July 1933
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire
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TO ABSTAIN FROM DRINK
At the Nottingham Guildhall to-day of charged with being on enclosed premises for unlawful purpose, Sydney Smith, 21, labourer, Henry place, Keswick-street, and Alfred Parker. 19, labourer, of no fixed abode, were placed on probation for two years, on condition being that they Abstain from drink
 

Friday 24 November 1939
 Nottingham Evening Post
   Nottinghamshire
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STOLE A MOTOR CYCLE. Two Nottingham men, Sidney Smith, 28, hawker, and Andrew Doyle, 24, labourer, both of Keswick-street, pleaded guilty at Derby to-day to stealing a motor cycle belonging to Geo. Burman at Chaddesden. The case was dismissed under the Probation of Offenders Act, and they were ordered to pay 10s. each as costs 


Monday 24 February 1941
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire 
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cases brought to the hospital by City ambulances on Saturday night .and were allowed to go home after receiving treatment in the Casualty Department They were George Smith, of 4. Keswick-street. who was suffering from head injuries, having either fallen down or been knocked down in the black-out   
 
 
 
 Thursday 07 September 1944
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire 
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 Nottm. Man Fined At Mansfield Stated to have upwards of 50 convictions, mostly for minor offences, George Smith. of 4 Keswick - street. Nottingham. was fined three guineas at Mansfield Police Court yesterday for using obscene language in the Mansfield cattle market



Thursday 07 February 1946
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire
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DROPPED scales and ran Patrol Caught Nottm. Man 

At the magistrates to-day, given the benefit, Sidney Smith, 34, scrap dealer, of 4, Keswick-street,
 found not guilty of of stealing a set of shop scales value £l6, but they convicted him of receiving the scales, knowing them to have been stolen. sentenced to one month

 17 August 1946
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire
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TOYS FOR RAGS
  By delivering toys to persons under 14, at Beeston, on August Ist. ~ Defendant, Andrew Doyle, a rag dealer, of 4, Keswick-street, Sneinton-road, Nottingham, was discharged under the Probation of Offenders Act, and ordered to pay the costs

 Thursday 07 August 1947
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 
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How He Got His Black Eye
 
Appearing at the Nottingham Guildhall. to-day, with a swollen face and a black eye, Sidney Smith, 37, dealer, of 4, Keswick-street, Nottingham, was fined £2 for being drunk and. disorderly in Trinity-square last night. He told the magistrates that he had been to a fair. Major W. Foster: Where did yon get that black eye? Smith: I was kicked. Major Foster: “By horse” Smith:  “No. sir, by the Police”. P.c. Tomlinson said there was no fight. Smith was drunk, and the injury might have been caused by failing down
 
Tuesday 24 February 1948
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 
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Hostel Scene

Because he could not get a bed in the Salvation Army hostel in Aberdeen street, Nottingham. Christopher Smith, of 4, Keswick-street, broke the woodwork and the door and burst the look, it was stated at the Nottingham Guildhall, to-day. He was fined £3 and £1 costs for damaging the door. John Robert Foster night porter, and Lieut. Nicholls, Salvation Army officer, both said defendant was worse for drink and used obscene language when told there was not a bed available

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Do you think this is Rebecca's Brother, his age is right, i am sure at any one time there is more Williams about, have you in your records a Amelia Wilsher

Everything below extracts 

Monday 30 January 1922
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire

ALLEGED BIGAMY AT A NOTTINGHAM CHURCH.

William Wilshire, 23 hawker, of no fixed abode, I was remanded at the Nottingham Guildhall today charged with committing bigamy with Rose Phillips, a single woman, at St. Andrew's Church, August 18th, 1919. D.c. Gregory saw the prisoner detained at Hyson Green police station last night. When the warrant was read he said ‘‘Yes, I know you have been after me.” Prisoner was remanded to a special sitting on Friday
 
Saturday 04 February 1922
  Nottingham Journal
 Nottinghamshire 
 
  William Willsher (23). hawker, was also committed to the Assises. The charge against him was that he married Rose Phillips on 18 August, 1919. his wife, Amelia, whom’ he married in May, 1915. being still alive. Rose Phillips, of 10. Sidney-street. Nottingham, said that she met Wilsher in June, 1919. Later they went to Grimsby, and returning to Nottingham were married in St. Mary's Church. The man told her he was single, but four months ago she discovered he was married. A man Mr Lewis gave evidence for he was the witness to the wedding


Thursday 09 February 1922
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 

 LUCKY ESCAPE.
VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY FOR ALLEGED BIGAMIST.

Owing to a legal flaw, a verdict of not guilty was returned at the Notts. Assizes to-day in the case of  William Willsher, who was charged with bigamousley marrying a woman’ named Rose Phillips, whilst his former wife was alive. The legal wife had disappeared, and consequently it was not proven in coart that she was alive at the time of the second marriage. Mr. Justice Horridge directed the jury to find a verdict of not guilty. He said that the police were not able to bring the evidence which would prove the case . Evidence of this kind ought always to be forthcoming. The verdict was returned as directed, and Willsher left the court a free man 

And do you see Sidney street is next to Colwick street which is next to Gedling street and Woburn-Street on the story above is near to Has is Keswick street, and Clarence-street, is next to Storer street and the Lewis man lived there to, Sneinton is mad you have opened my eyes to things, it was Sneinton on the border to St Anns, that was the hub, the Market place, it was jam packed with all types of peoples making there way in life, thats why it was an attractive place for people on the deal, most of the stopping placers where more on the edge of the town, you have made me see much more, Nelson street is there to, the only street left with its name in the market
https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/ng11dr do you see Brook street on the map, its next to Gedling street, Brook street used to be Colwick street, Woburn street is next to Colwick street in the past, then theres Fyne street next to them where James Wilsher lived, wait till you hear of him, hes mad wild

Thursday 08 February 1923
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire

EDITOR'S LETTER BAG.

An Insanitary Street. I wish to draw attention to the very filthy condition of Sidney-street, off Colwick-street. So much muck, &c, should not be allowed to remain about. It's a nuisance, a danger to residents, and grevious eyesore

Monday 15 June 1931
 Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 

NOTTM. HAWKER'S LAPSE.
BUT HAD APPEARED BEFORE THE COURT MANY TIMES.

Quite penitent for his lapse, John Lewis, 62, hawker, of 83, Clarence-street, stood before the magistrates at the Nottingham Guildhall to-day, and readily admitted that he was drunk in charge' of a pony and barrow sixty times

  Wednesday 25 November 1931
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 

 POLICE OFFICERS' JUMP ON MOVING CAR
 BAD LANGUAGE CHARGE.

Frank Wiltshire, 28, a hawker, of Nelson-street, was charged with using obscene language. P.c. Hoskins said accused entered Leen-side police station with the prisoner in the previous case. Wiltshire was very argumentative, a man named Edward Ward Hawker was also charged along with Frank Wiltshire
 

Wednesday 13 September 1933
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire

ON RECEIVING CHARGE Nottingham Man fined at Long Eaton. A fine of three guineas was imposed on Frank Wiltshire, hawker, of Nelson street, Nottingham, at Long Eaton police court yesterday. He was charged with the alleged theft of a quantity of brass

 

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 Is Frank Wiltshire above the same Frank Wiltshire below you wrote about, the age is right, this ties them all together

 4 Brothers Christian...
Baptism-20th April 1881

Place-Saint Phillip's, Sheffield, York, England.

Christian Children:
Fred Wilsher 1870
Jim Wilsher 1875 abt
William Wilsher 1878 abt
Walter Wilsher 1881 abt

Parents:
Joseph (Joe) Wilsher 1844
Maria Wilsher nee Knight 1847

Boyling and Wilsher blood line
Angereena Boyling 1893 is the Grandchild of Thomas Boyling 1836 and Harriett Wilshaw 1842.

Angereena Boyling 1893 married Fred Wilsher 1889 in Doncaster 1914....

The Spelling of the last name

So I had certificates turn up for the same family....

Brothers and sister
Frank Wilcher 1903
Sarah Wilshire 1900
Henry Wilshire 1886
Joseph Wiltshire 1884

Their grandfather
Joseph Wilshaw 1844