Finally admitted defeat!

[jacky_d]

Hi Jane me again iv just searched the criminal records and nothing is coming up for 1883 which name did you find this under iv searched Marco and Mazzone and nothing at all for that year thank you.

Jacky

[familydar]

Jacky

I searched all records using 1860 YoB +-2, forename ant*, keyword organ.  Totally different surname (Fracano) so probably not him unless he was using another alias.

There are also a couple of Catholic censuses with more likely sounding names but I don't think the other family members fit, so probably a different individual again.

But it begs the question how many organ-grinding ice-cream selling Antonios of the right sort of age were there in the UK in the late 19th century and is it possible that two or more have been accidentally amalgamated?

Jane :-)

[BushInn1746]

Hi Jim1 the boys took on the family name/s until 1904 then both reverted to a name which is untraceable but Iv now do know who the father is and he was also a married man and we have made contact with that side of the family. there are endless trees which my Grandfather would slot into nicely but its not enough and I really  don't want to contact all of my DNA matches with Maybe's or ifs. I just don't know if because iv been doing it for so long and trying so hard im blocked as to where to go next!  Thank you for your reply.

Hello jacky d

I don't quite follow your reasonings.

1) If you are working your line backward from your last known and documented ancestor that you knew, or your own family personally knew, I'm wondering how you claim to have late 19th Century information, but don't know what the family name was in 1904?

Family history is about working backward from your known family and best with Certificates / documents and Wills (if they left one), as they often give maiden names and other information (Wills may give siblings). Witnesses and those present a death, can sometimes be relatives (but not always).

2) You cannot fit your family to another tree, because it looks near, or because DNA suggests so, as you need a solid line backward from a known family member of yours, back to the brickwall.

Mark

[jacky_d]

hi Jane iv found it as you say it was Franco thank you again and i will be following all your volued leads thank you again.
Jacky

[BushInn1746]

Hello Jacky

The documented known family of yours in Great Britain, did any of them leave a 'Will', or their Estate (belongings) go to 'Administration' (Proved after death, some Proved up to several years after they died)?

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

Sometimes Wills / Amins., can give other family names, especially where the Testator had no children, although a few occasionally leave to Charity. However, without ordering and checking a Probate Will or Admin., of a known family member, you won't know if the Probate will help you or not, with other family?

Mark

[jacky_d]

Hi Mark yes there is one will which belonged to the Mazzone side however iv not pursued it as its  complicated and will open a can of worms which I don't want to go down that path as im kind of like a dog with a bone and wont give up until I find the truth. So as my late dad used to say to me all the time "let sleeping dogs lie"!

Thank you again for your response
Jacky

[BushInn1746]

Hi Jacky

I'm afraid, I am like a dog with a bone. I would apply for a Will if it might help me, as you don't have to publish it, or tell anyone. However, some who delve, may find an unhappy deception ...

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One lady was upset, when she discovered her own Scottish Father and her supposed Grandparents (all deceased) had deceived her over her Father's real names, after arrival in Canada. Her Grandmother was really her blood Grandmother, but her Grandfather was not.

She knew her Father was known to have emigrated to Canada on the same ship, with his supposed parents.

Her Father travelled to Canada using his birth/real names, on the same Liner ticket number as a married couple (one of whom really was his Mother). Both claimed to be the lady's Grandparents. The lady, his Daughter had missed the same ticket number and the later dropping of Mc from his (Liner manifest) surname and using it as a forename. That forename here is usually female.

In Canada he got married with his made-up forename and took his Mother's married surname and had two Daughters. His Date of Birth was always correct.

His RAF Record proved the deception, as he used his Birth names to sign up (Liner ticket names) and contained his next of kin, his Mother's Maiden surname (before her Marriage). But she couldn't apply until we worked out what he had done and confirmed his real name.

Mark

[jacky_d]

Hi mark thank you for sharing that story I do think as amazing as it is that folk like us try every thing possible to keep our family history alive, at times it does unearth some shocking truths I know i found that my grandad had a daughter pre marriage  with his first wife and the only reason I found this as it was written in the margin of his R.A.F record as ever i then went on a mission and when i was in the records office and found out that she had spent her whole life in a institute i just broke down right in the middle of the records office so so sad. But from what I already know about this will im afraid its surrounded by injustice, lies and betrayal. so im not pursuing it, as there is nothing really that can possibly be done now. any way completely off subject perhaps one day ill write a book haha

Thank you again
Jacky   

[iluleah]

 

"let sleeping dogs lie"

Is all I heard from my family when I first started to research, no help was forth coming from them, no sorting out of their records they already had and it just made me even more determine to research and find out EVERYTHING and I found out everything they were hiding and more they had no idea about and decades on they still don't know and they still think I don't know either. 

FH is about research and finding who are ancestors were, good , bad or indifferent, it isn't about changing anything and although we all make judgements based on what we see, hear, read and some ancestors I  decided I really didn't like................ then later find out more and realise they were all human beings, all made good and bad decisions based on their life and times they lived.