Could I be gypsy

[yeahyeah121212]

Hello,

Here is Hester/Esther Southwell in 1871

Piece:1204/folio 119/11
5, Shootash, East Wellow, Hampshire
George Southwell 49 yrs Wood Dealer b East Wellow
Sarah Southwell   45 yrs
Martha Southwell 21 yrs
George Southwell 12 yrs
Esther Southwell 5 yrs
Walter Southwell 1 yr

In earlier censuses, his mother Hannah is with the family. She is born in East Wellow too.

George was baptised in 1822 to Joseph and Hannah. So the family are in that place before 1822.

There is a marriage for Joseph Southwell and Hannah Long in E W 1798.

They family don not seem to be Irish or of the travelling community - unless they were settled for a very long time.


Heywood

Thank you

[yeahyeah121212]

There are many children for William and Ann Webb born in Romsey from 1802 onwards - could be same or 2 different couples.

There is a William and Ann Webb in Romsey Extra in 1851 census, William age 67, a dealer, and Ann is 70, both from Romsey.

This would make William about 18/19 when they married.

In that 1851 census they have a servant in their household.

Thank you , do you know if they could be gypsy or not, I heard something like them people were married and gypsies I’m not sure though. If you can’t find anything on then then could you please continue to go back a bit. Thanks

[chempat]

This might be William's baptism:

William Webb baptised 18th November 1783 at Romsey,Hampshire,
Father:  Thomas Webb    Mother:  Mary
FHL Film Number:   1041215

But really need to find a marriage of William to Ann also.

[yeahyeah121212]

This might be William's baptism:

William Webb baptised 18th November 1783 at Romsey,Hampshire,
Father:  Thomas Webb    Mother:  Mary
FHL Film Number:   1041215

But really need to find a marriage of William to Ann also.

Thank you I am sure I have heard about them being gypsies somewhere but if you could confirm it that would be great thanks.

[chempat]

In the 1851 census the servant was surname Wilshire, so this is William and Ann in 1841 in Kings Somborne division
William Webb   50  Carrier, all born in County.
Ann Webb   50
William Webb   15
Ellen Webb   20
Ann Rolf   10
William Wiltshire   40

At the moment the Webb family seem rooted in Romsey and district.  They might have come from Ireland in the 1780's - does that mean that because one of them was a traveller 240 years ago the family are still travellers?

Or is there a more recent connection from one of your other ancestors?

[chempat]

As you appear to be local, how about getting in touch with here:

https://www.ltvas.org.uk/romsey--district-society

[yeahyeah121212]

In the 1851 census the servant was surname Wilshire, so this is William and Ann in 1841 in Kings Somborne division
William Webb   50  Carrier, all born in County.
Ann Webb   50
William Webb   15
Ellen Webb   20
Ann Rolf   10
William Wiltshire   40

At the moment the Webb family seem rooted in Romsey and district.  They might have come from Ireland in the 1780's - does that mean that because one of them was a traveller 240 years ago the family are still travellers?

Or is there a more recent connection from one of your other ancestors?

Thank you for this, do you know that anyone came from Ireland in the 1780’s, and I do not understand the recent connection part and things such as , carrier and all born in county

[yeahyeah121212]

As you appear to be local, how about getting in touch with here:

https://www.ltvas.org.uk/romsey--district-society

Ah thank you, might try that out soon, could you also please have a quick look at my other question.

[chempat]

Sorry, 'Carrier' was his occupation as  stated on the census.

No, I do not know that anyone came from Ireland, so far the Webbs that I have found are firmly rooted in Romsey.  They are not moving around, and they are not missing from censuses.  They are living in houses and doing a variety of occupations.

Even if they did come from Ireland, that does not automatically mean they are travellers.

If your family think their ancestors were travellers, do they mean the Webb family, or one of the wife's family were travellers?