I note the 1861 and subsequent census returns. Do you know where Helen was in 1871?
ELDER ANN 1861 29 1832 Dunning Perth
ELDER ANN 1861 1 Dunning Perth
ELDER HELEN 1861 7 Dunning Perth
ELDER JANET 1861 3 Dunning Perth
ELDER DAVID 1861 35 1826 Dunning Perth
1871 family in Tibbermore David 46 Ann 41 + 5 boys and Ann 11, no Helen.
1881/91/01 David 54/64/75 in Tibbermore + Boys, no Ann senior Ann junior or Helen
DAVID ELDER 82 death 1909 Perth?
No clear death for Ann?
Colin