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[AnotherWhiteRabbit]

That makes perfect sense.
Nani - Nephew but why nothing else on him?
Just a thought, on one census he is entered as Awen.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Just a bad transcription - clearly Owen on the image

[dragonT]

Found him in 1891 I think - Owen Thomas, Boarder, 19, Coal miner, 118 Parr Stocks Road, St Helens. His place of birth is Beaumaris, Anglesey but the word Beaumaris looks like it was added later (RG12, 3024, 96, 27). He lives on the same road in 1901 and 1911. He is also there in the 1939 register and gives his dob as 12 Nov 1871.

I've searched Anglesey birth registrations using this date without finding him. As you suggest, he may be illegitimate, but why invent such an unusual name for his father?

[dragonT]

definitely looks like Transfield on the marriage registration on Ancestry

Agree - no need for a scan

[AnotherWhiteRabbit]

Oh my goodness well done.
What a find. And Beaumaris fits the story that I’m researching! The story is he was the illegitimate son of someone high up in Anglesey living at Beaumaris.

Can we find anything about his mother?

You are a star.

[dragonT]

Owen, being my direct ancestor, is now the mystery.
His father being Transfield Thomas I think. His mother is unknown.
I’ve tried to find any trace of a Transfield Thomas but with no luck.

Pure luck - but I think I have found Owen Thomas's father. While looking through Llanerchymedd baptisms for the children of Robert and Ann Thomas I found the baptism on 10 Jul 1865 of Sarah Margaret Huckley daughter of Dransfield & Catherine Huckley, mariner, Liverpool.
Dransfield Buckley married Catherine Thomas in Liverpool O,N,D qtr 1859 and Buckley is the correct surname according to most of the records I've seen. Their family can be found in Liverpool in 1871 and 1881 (Catherine b. Llanerchymedd, Dransfield b. Todmorden) while in 1891 Catherine is with Dransfield's sister Margaret Martha Buckley in Halifax.

Catherine's death was registered on Anglesey - Catherine Buckley, 14 Sep 1900, Llanerchymedd age 68, wife of mariner Deansfield Buckley. Informant H.H. Buckley, son, 17 Wyatt St, Kirkdale, Liverpool.

I think Catherine Thomas and Robert Thomas are brother and sister, children of William Thomas and Mary Roberts. Their baptisms are shown in Rhodogeidio (Ceidio)/Llanerchymedd parish records:
Robert, 14 May 1826, son of William & Mary Thomas, Old Chapel, labourer (Rhodogeidio PR)
Catherine, 5 Nov 1832, dau of William & Mary Thomas, Parish of Ceidio, labourer (Llanerchymedd PR). Also John (1823) & Mary (1829).

William Thomas and Mary Roberts were married 3 Apr 1820 in Llanerchymedd and William Thomas was buried 7 Oct 1833 age 32

Is this is the rest of the family in 1841?
HO107, 1358, 11, 10, 6 Walk Row, Llanerchymedd, Llechcynfarwydd
Mary Roberts, 35, (surname Roberts retained under the old Welsh patronymic system), Ind
John     "      , 15, Shoe Ap
Robert  "      , 15, Shoe Ap
Catherine "   , 8
All born Anglesey.

There must be some doubt whether Catherine was Owen's mother given that he was known as Owen Thomas rather than Owen Buckley and was raised separately from Catherine and Dransfield's other children.




 

[thomasfamilyhistory]

Owen Thomas was my grandfather. Owen Thomas was born out of wedlock to Ann Thomas in Amlych. His mother refused to name the father on the birth certificate.
He was named John. According to my Uncle Will, who lived at Bryn Teg, Llanfair, the father of the child was originally from Aberystwyth. At the time I was only in my teens and Will's generation were never forthcoming on such matters in any detail.

According to the Family Bible which is in my possession his date of birth was 22 September 1871. However, according to the registration he was born at “Tai Club Mawr” Llanerchymedd, Amlwch on 21 November 1871.

He was moved (transferred?) to another part of the family and his name changed to Owen because they already had a family member named Owen (which might be the Owen referred to in the 1872 record). He only discovered his real name was John when he received his postwar credits.

He moved to St Helens to work as a miner. Initially he lived in Parr Stocks Road on the corner of Morgan Street where my father (the fourth of his six children) lived. Eventually they moved to 34 Parr Stocks Road, (opposite the Fire Station). He died in 1947.

His wife, Thirza Jane Pearce was born in the Isle of Man on 22 December 1868 where her father worked as an engineer on the Laxey Wheel having emigrated from Cornwall. We understand he was born in Rebbulus. I have many nineteenth century photos from the area which show the family resemblance. I also have a picture of the cottage in the Isle of Man where Owen and Thirza went fishing each year.

I also have a photo of a family gathering , including my four year old self, at Grandma's 80th birthday. It includes uncle Richard who, according to my aunty Daisy was the spitten image of Owen. Daisy's birth name was Thirza after her mother. Grandma was very frail as she had a broken hip.

We have always preserved the name 'Owen' in the family. My brother's middle name is Owen, Daisy's son's middle name is Owen, My son's name is Owen and my eldest grandson's name is Owen.

I hope the above is helpful

[AnotherWhiteRabbit]

Thank you very much for getting in touch. May I ask if you are happy to let me have those details, it would help enormously?

[thomasfamilyhistory]

What specific details are you looking for?