Llannerchymedd

[AnotherWhiteRabbit]

Looking for info on the Thomas family of Llannerchymedd and Almwch in Anglesey.

Robert b 1826 M Anne b 1827
At Amlwch

Children
William 1849
John 1854
Robert 1858
Mary 1851
Ellen 1862
Catherine 1868
Owen 1872 m Thirza Jane Pearce 20.6.1896
Robert John 1882

I’m researching my family history for a novel so any connections and or info would be gratefully received. They lived at Rhodogeido

[dragonT]

Hi, Welcome to RootsChat.

They were married on 14 Jul 1845 at Llechcynfarwy Church:
Robert Thomas, f, b, Shoemaker of Llanerchymedd, son of William Thomas, labourer and Ann Jones, f, s, Llanerchymedd, dau. of Owen Jones. labourer. Findmypast has the image of the marriage certificate (but the parish is wrongly transcribed as Llanynghenedl). They both signed by mark, the witnesses were (unclear?) Jones and Hugh Prichard.

I have found details from the birth registrations of some of the children you mention, all registerd with father Robert Thomas, mother Ann Jones and born at Llanerchymedd:

Ann - 30 Apr 1846; William - 29 Nov 1848; Mary - 14 Mar 1851; John - 8 Dec 1853; Robert - 20 Mar 1856; Ellen - 3 Jun 1862; Owen - 12 Oct 1864; Catherine - 29 Dec 1867.

I will look again for the two later children.

Do you already have some census information? Is there anything specific you wish to know?

[AnotherWhiteRabbit]

Thank you so much, that is a wonderful response. You’ve helped enormously.
I have found them in the census but I was trying to find out the occupations.

Also there is a mystery. On the son Owen’s marriage certificate Robert is called ‘Transfield’ and occupation farmer. If you can shed light on that I’d love to know what you find.

[dragonT]

Looking for info on the Thomas family of Llannerchymedd and Almwch in Anglesey.

Robert b 1826 M Anne b 1827
At Amlwch

Children
Catherine 1868
Owen 1872 m Thirza Jane Pearce 20.6.1896
Robert John 1882

It looks like Owen 1872 and Robert John 1882 are not the children of Robert Thomas and Ann Jones. The 1881 census (RG11, 5591, 43, 13) shows the family at 4 British School Terrace (Llanerchymedd I think) - Robert 53, shoemaker, born Rhodogeidio; Ann, 53, b. Llanerchymedd; Catherine, 13, dau b. Llanerchymedd; Owen, 9, b. Llanerchymedd. Owen's relationship to Robert is given as 'nice', perhaps niece is intended, this has been amended in the transcription to 'Nice Nephew!'
Given Ann's age it seems unlikely she is the mother of Robert John b. 1882. The 1891 census (RG12, 4676, 120, 20) confirms this, he is the only child living with Robert and Ann and he is described as a grandson.

[AnotherWhiteRabbit]

My husband spotted that Owen did not fit with the picture but Robert being a grandson answers the question we had.

Thank you very much.

Owen, being my direct ancestor, is now the mystery.
His father being Transfield Thomas I think. His mother is unknown.

I’ve tried to find any trace of a Transfield Thomas but with no luck. The marriage certificate is not that clear.

Thanks again, you’ve been a great help. If you can trace TT I’d be thrilled.

[dragonT]

Owen, being my direct ancestor, is now the mystery.
His father being Transfield Thomas I think. His mother is unknown.
I’ve tried to find any trace of a Transfield Thomas but with no luck. The marriage certificate is not that clear.

Can you scan the marriage certificate and attach it? Perhaps someone can decipher Owen's father's name.

I see Owen married in Liverpool in 1896 (W. Derby 8b 695), do you know where he was for the 1891 census?

[AnotherWhiteRabbit]

The marriage certificate would not scan well but I will try. Transfield Thomas is, however, on the Banns 1811-1921.

No sign of Owen on 1891 census, he’d gone dark!

There is a legend in the family that he was illegitimate which is what I am keeping in the back of my mind. Is Transfield a made up name I’m thinking? It’s such an unusual name.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Owen's relationship to Robert is given as 'nice', perhaps niece is intended, this has been amended in the transcription to 'Nice Nephew!'

The welsh for nephew is Nai - perhaps nice was a mistranscription/mishearing?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Owen, being my direct ancestor, is now the mystery.
His father being Transfield Thomas I think. His mother is unknown.
I’ve tried to find any trace of a Transfield Thomas but with no luck. The marriage certificate is not that clear.

Can you scan the marriage certificate and attach it? Perhaps someone can decipher Owen's father's name.

I see Owen married in Liverpool in 1896 (W. Derby 8b 695), do you know where he was for the 1891 census?

definitely looks like Transfield on the marriage registration on Ancestry