1861 Census look up please

[Loobs]

I am looking for Eliza Jane Constant in the Monmouthshire 1861 census.

She was born in 1847 in Gravesend

It may be age 15 & 1846 on the census

Any help much appreciated

[osprey]

there is a 15 year old Eliza Constant working as a servant in Newland, Mon for the family of John H Dighton JP, but her place of birth is Clearwell, Glos. RG9/3980 folio 86 pg 1.


Where did you think she might be? There are parts of Monmouthshire missing from the 1861.

[crisane]

There are numerous trees on ancestry having her living in Scotland and marrying    Alexander Forbes.
They have her parents as David Constant and Mary Lyon(?) and this census entry
1851
Civil parish Cullen Banffshire
Address - Seatown
ED 4b Page 14
Alexander Lyon    51
Helen Lyon 51
Eliza Lyon    28
Eliza Constant 4 Relationship Great Grandchild born    Graverend, England
Ann Smith    18

Is this your Eliza?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Are you sure abot the name - I can;t see an Eliza Jane Constant registered as b in the area c1848, but there is an Emily Jane

[crisane]

Are you sure abot the name - I can;t see an Eliza Jane Constant registered as b in the area c1848, but there is an Emily Jane

Good find. I was working my way through it, you saved  me the trouble. 

[crisane]

If it is Emily Jane Kate Constant mmn Keeling then in 1871 she is with Alexander Keeling and family, his niece.
In 1861 there is an Emily Constant age 12 born Wilton Kent, visitor, with Jane smith and family. There is also an Alfred Keeling age 8, grandson.

[Ladyhawk]

There are numerous trees on ancestry having her living in Scotland and marrying    Alexander Forbes.
They have her parents as David Constant and Mary Lyon(?) and this census entry
1851
Civil parish Cullen Banffshire
Address - Seatown
ED 4b Page 14
Alexander Lyon    51
Helen Lyon 51
Eliza Lyon    28
Eliza Constant 4 Relationship Great Grandchild born    Graverend, England
Ann Smith    18

Is this your Eliza?

There is this birth entry on GRO indexes mmn left blank -

LYON, ELIZA  JANE     -     
1847  J Quarter in GRAVESEND AND MILTON  Volume 05  Page 182   

[Loobs]

Hi
A flurry of replies 😄
Alexander Forbes married Eliza Jane Constant in 1866 and I am confident from then with info from my grandma.

The problem is Eliza's parents
Eliza was born in 1847 in Gravesend to Mary Lyon. I have the birth certificate. When Eliza married/ died her mother was Mary Constant & her father David Constant. I can find nothing on Mary whatsoever. There is no record in Scotland. David died in 1855 ages 33 IF I have the right man.

Crispness & Ladyhawke have located my people 👌

The Monmouth Eliza isn't mine

There is just no record of David and Mary marrying or indeed Mary being born!!

[crisane]

Again a tree on ancestry -
Mary Lyon
Birth 1822  Cullen, Scotland
Death 1 August 1876 • Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire
They have Mary marrying a William Murrison 8 Dec 1848 at Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen.
I can see half a dozen parish records for Mary Lyon 1818 - 1825 but none in Bannf

1841
Grant Street, Cullen, Bannfshire
James Allan 40
Elspeth Allan 45
Isabella Allan 30
John Allan    17
George Allan 16
William Allan 14
Alexander Allan    10
Ann Allan    8
Mary Lyon 15 born Scotland

is this the David Constant you have records for?
1851
Ann Constant 60
David Constant    29 born gravesend
David Pankhurst 10

Mary married as Lyon. This marriage record may be interesting. She was back in Scotland 12 months after Eliza's birth.
Mary Lyon and William Murrison
FR8138
8/12/1848
168/A 310 312 Aberdeen