Royal Artillery

[adj05]

Hannah Mary Ollier
Born in Clive, Cheshire 1859.

Hannah Mary's parents were George Ollier and Hannah Spencer.

Hannah Mary (or Mary Hannah) had children with Jemes Sadler.
They were called Lional James Sadler, Roland L Sadler and Hilda Mary Sadler.

[gortonboy]

Laleham matches place of birth from military record.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Laleham, Staines, Middlesex & Surrey, England
 
John   Sadler   Head   Married   Male   age 27.b   1824   Ag Lab   Laleham, Middlesex, England   
Emma   Sadler   Wife   Married   Female age   24   b 1827   -   Horton, Buckinghamshire, England   
John   Sadler   Son   -   Male   age 0   b 1851   -   Laleham, Middlesex, England

[adj05]

I think I have found his service record or I should say the remains of his record, they are severely damaged.  Served 12 and a half years in India 1875 to 1891. But the wife's name you gave doesn't add up.  He was, in 1882, a sergeant in the Royal Artillery in India and married Hannah Maud Janes in Bellary 11 Oct 1882.  His record shows a child James born Manchester 25 May 1894 and (unreadable) child 1897.  I find army births in Manchester for Hilda 1897 and Rowland (with a w) 1896 and a James L in Manchester 1894, all to a Royal Artillery father - do their dates add up?  He is a Sergeant Major in 1894.

Won't go further, (the record is difficult to read and interpret, needs time) until you have a look at the wife's name.

Everyone has been working faster than me while I put this together but this all adds up with what folk have posted so I'll leave it. All revolves around the wife's name.  I'd just add I find no sensible marriage in UK or India for a Hannah Ollier to anybody!

MaxD

Do the army births show the name of the mother?

[gortonboy]

Hannah Mary Ollier
Born in Clive, Cheshire 1859.

Hannah Mary's parents were George Ollier and Hannah Spencer.

Hannah Mary (or Mary Hannah) had children with Jemes Sadler.
They were called Lional James Sadler, Roland L Sadler and Hilda Mary Sadler.

How do you know he married her if you don't have the marriage certificate? What is the source of this statement?

[gortonboy]

Baptism: 10 May 1896 St Matthew, Ardwick, Lancashire, England
Roland Sadler - [Child] of James Sadler & Hannah
    Born: 5 Mar 1896
    Abode: 28 Hyde Lodge Ardwick Green
    Occupation: Drill Instructor
    Baptised by: B. E. Dadley
    Register: Baptisms 1890 - 1905, Page 118, Entry 944
    Source: LDS Film 2148084

[adj05]

Hannah Mary is listed as a servant in Staines, Middlesex in 1891

Is that near where you think James Sadler was born?

[gortonboy]

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park Farm, Laleham, Staines, Middlesex & Surrey, England
   
John   Sadler   Head   Married   Male   37   1824   Agricultural Labourer   Laleham, Middlesex, England   
Emma   Sadler   Wife   Married   Female   34   1827   Laundress   Henton, Buckinghamshire, England
John   Sadler   Son   -   Male   10   1851   -   Laleham, Middlesex, England
Louisa   Sadler   Daughter   -   Female   8   1853   -   Laleham, Middlesex, England   
Sophia   Sadler   Daughter   -   Female   6   1855   -   Laleham, Middlesex, England   
James   Sadler   Son   -   Male   5   1856   -   Laleham, Middlesex, England   
Maria   Sadler   Daughter   -   Female   2   1859   -   Laleham, Middlesex, England   
Martha   Sadler   Daughter   -   Female   1   1860   -   Laleham, Middlesex, England   
Frank   ...   Boarder   -   Male   9   1852   -   Hampshire, England   

[gortonboy]

I have never seen a military birth certificate......I would assume mother's name would be given....but not too sure if maiden name is given.

[adj05]

In the 1901 census (after James Sadler died) I have Mary Hannah living back in Bowdon where lots of the family now lived with the the children....Lional James, Roland and Hilda Mary.
She is also listed as living with her brother Thomas OLLIER (who I know about)