One Troutbeck too many...

[awebster]

I'm trying to trace an ancestor - Henry Tyson - who possibly originated in Cumberland.  There is a Joseph Tyson who was in the same area - Argyll, Scotland - in the same time period - the 1780s.  I have traced  Joseph back to Troutbeck - his only daughter was christened there.  However, I now find that there are two separate Troutbecks - how do I know which is the correct  1780s Troutbeck?

Gus

[sue smith]

Hi Gus

what is the name and baptism date of the daughter & do you have details of the source you found the info on?  If you post that up someone may help you decipher it.

I have the 1851 census for the Troutbeck near Windermere - as opposed to the Troutbeck just off the A66.  It lists the following living at Troutbeck Bridge:

Henry Tyson - H - Wid - 66 - Innkeeper - WES Grasmere
Jane Tyson - D - U - 19 - Bar Maid - WES Windermere
Grace Tyson - ? - ? - 17 - No occ given - WES Windermere

Do you have any idea of possible date of birth for Henry - could this be him?? If not there are a number of other Tyson's in the area including a couple of Joseph's (but no other Henrys).

Regards  Sue

[Rian]

I lived in the Troutbeck which is near Windermere, as a child. The name Tyson is a local one. This Troutbeck was in Westmorland before it all became Cumbria, whereas the other Troutbeck (which is the one John Peel came from) was in Cumberland and further north. Troutbeck Bridge is actually a separate place but only 4 miles away from Troutbeck.
I hope this is useful.
Rian.

[awebster]

Thank you for those kind replies.  My Henry was born about 1761 or 1762, as he is recorded as being 79 in the 1841 census in Argyll.  I think that the former Westmoreland Troutbeck is probably more likely as a source of Tysons, since there is some connection with Joseph Tyson married to Agnes Mackereth, whose relations(Mackereth) may have run the Queen's Head Inn at the time of the 1851 census.
Joseph Tyson's daughter Catherine Tyson was born in Bonawe, Argyll in 1780 but she is only christened in Troutbeck four years later - after her father had died and her mother had presumably returned there. The records for this family are in England - presumably they were Anglican not Church of Scotland, although the "English Church" in Taynuilt, Argyll, had one thousand members at the height of its influence.  These people must have come from Cumberland, Westmoreland and Lancashire.

Gus.

[sue smith]

Hi Gus

1851 for Troutbeck - Queens Head Inn

Benson Mackereth  H M 52 Innkeeper  LAN
Mary Mackereth W M 52 LAN
Isabella Mackereth D U 20 LAN
James Strong Lodg M 55 Gun Smith SCT Dumfries

As Rian says, Tyson is a local name and there are plenty families of this name in the area.  There are also a lot of Mackereths.  There are too many to list all of them for you here but let me know once you think you have who should have been around in 1851 and I'll happily look them up.

Sue

[awebster]

Alas, I have no way of knowing at the moment if I am even related to the Tysons of Troutbeck - having re-read the history of the Lorn Furnace Company at Bonawe in Argyll, they were operating in the area from 1753, so it is entirely possible that the first Henry Tyson was indeed born in Argyll  - as the 1841 census claims.  That would mean that I am looking for his parents - possibly John Tyson but the mother's name is unknown since Henry only had one recorded daughter.

However, we went back to Cumbria a few weeks ago and had a lovely drink sitting outside the Queen's Head Inn, gazing out at the fells. Even if I never discover where MY Tysons come from, I shall have a lovely time tracking down all incidents of Tysons in the north-west and drinking to their memory in local hostelries.  My next trip will take in Nether Wasdale and L'al Ratty.

Gus

[colette]

Hi My Benson ancestors lived in Troutbeck at High Green and they also owned a cottage named Gallow How right behind the Queenshead, i have discovered that an Anthony Benson and his wife Julia also ran the queenshead.

 OURSUANT to a Decree of the High Court of Chan-
IL Ct-ry, made in the cause of Anthony Benson v. Birkctt
Forrest ai.d others, the creditors of Anthony Benson, late
of the Queen's Head Inn, Troutbeck, in the county of
Westmorland, Yeomaa and Innkeeper, deceased (who died
on the Is: day of November, 1867), are, on or before the
14th day of January, 1870, to send by post, prepaid, to
Messrs. Mosers, Arnold, and Moser, of Kendal, in the
county of Westmorland, the Solicitors for the defendants,
Birkett Forrest, William Hartley, and John Hodgson, the
executors of the deceased, their Christian and surnames,
addresses and descriptions, in full, with the Christian and
surnames, in full, of any partner or partners, the lull particulars
of their claims, a statement of their accounts, and
the nature of the securities (if any) held by them, or in
default thereof they will be peremptorily excluded from
the benefit of the said Decree. Every creditor holding any
security is to produce the same before the Vice-Chancellor
Sir William Mil bourne James, at his chambers, No. 11,
New-square, Linuoln's-inn, Middlesex, on Thursday, the
3rd day of February, 1870, at twelve o'clock at noon,
being the time appointed for adjudicating on the claims.—
Dated this 10th day of December, 1869..

His wife is on the 1871 as a widow and formar licensed victualler before this Anthony was farmer living at Coat Syke with his father William Benson..William was the brother of Noble Benson my husbands 3 x Great Grandad..

Colette