Finding John Allan, Lanarkshire (1790-1857???)

[Graeme77]

I traced my paternal great grandparents, John and Mary Fraser Allan,  to their marriage in Carluke in Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1857.  The marriage certificate shows Johns' parents to be John and Catherine Allan. I have checked Parish Records available from Scotlands People, British Newpaper Archives and Family Search but I can find no trace of the parent's marriage or their births. Any suggestions on where else I can search. There are numerous records of earlier generation Allans in the area, and if I can make this link I can hopefully identify a few more generations.

[rosie17]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat did your  John Allan die December 1903 Carluke  ? There is a photo of a grave stone on www.findagrave.com with a Mary Fraser Allan says he was born 1830 Liberton
Edinburgh would that be your relation ...
Rosie

[rosie17]

Does his death certificate list the same parents ? I'm assuming no maiden name given for his mother
Have you managed to trace him on earlier census records before his marriage

Rosie

[Rosinish]

Is there no m/s on marriage cert. or did they both have the surname Allan?

What was father Johns' occ. on the marriage cert?

What were the addresses on the marriage, assuming John was living at home prior to marrying?

Pre 1855 not all children were baptised & not all records survived.

Annie

[ColC]

1841 Mid Calder – all born Midlothian
Catherine Allan 44, Jessy Allan 14 & John Alan 10

1851 Farm servant (Carter) in Mid Calder?

1857 John Allen married Mary Fraser

1861 no trace 1871 family in Carluke, John a Wagoner born Edinburgh

1901 John a Wagoner born Liberton, all indicate born about 1830

One possible marriage but no birth records for any children?

JOHN ALLAN  to CATHERINE LOW   18/01/1819   Canongate


Colin

[Graeme77]

Thank you for your suggestions.

John (Jnr) died in 1903 and I obtained an image of this tombstone in Wilton Cemetery in Lanarkshire.
He was married in Carluke and his address is shown as Galahill. His parents are both shown with the name of Allan on the marriage certificate. John(snr) is listed as a deceased "Farm Servant." (His bride,Mary Frase,  mother's maiden name is shown, so maybe Catherine was born an Allan.)

One of the later census returns shows John(Jnr) as having being born in Edinburgh.

I tried following up on the possibility of John(Snr) being the spouse of Catherine Low, but cannot find enough evidence to prove the relationship. Similarly with Catherine Allan in Mid Calder.

Thank you again for your suggestions

[rosie17]

I'm assuming the witnesses on his marriage were not related to John then
1861 census surname for John transcribed as Alban on Ancestry address Wilton Carluke
1881 surname Annan address Honey Bank Carluke

Did you get the death certificate for John Allan

Rosie
 

[Graeme77]

The witnesses to the marriage were Joseph Fraser (father of the bride) and Robert Annan- this is not a transcription error as I have viewed an image of the original certificate. Could have been an insertion error on the certificate as it seems just one person made all the entries on the certificate, and Robert is a common first name in the family.)

Have not found a death certificate for John Allan. In general I am finding it most difficult to get access to death certificates - any advice in this area i.e. best site to use?

Thank you.

[rosie17]

There is a death for a John Allan 1904 in Carluke Lanarkshire which would be his death ..he died 31 December 1903 so his death would have been registered beginning of following year .
Scotlands People is the only site for certificates in Scotland

Rosie