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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #126 on: Thursday 28 June 18 00:54 BST (UK) »
      Perhaps I should add that the ydna of the 18th Dynasty mummies turned out to be R1b1a2.  This is the dominant ydna of all males in Britain and Ireland - as high as 90% in England.   
      We can even tell from 1 Samuel chapters 4 to 6 that the Hebrews ruled Egypt at that time - they were rulers not slaves and Israel was during the reign of 3rd Dynasty King Djoser/Joshua the Bethshemite, all of Lower Egypt.   The hated Pharaoh was none other than Akhenaten/Moses himself and he only fled Egypt with a small number of followers carrying only a small portion of the Temple Treasures - we know this from The Copper Scroll.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #127 on: Thursday 28 June 18 09:15 BST (UK) »
I am just travelling on way to work.  However, this is just a quick mention on St Oswald's and location -  I went to visit this a good while back as my Grt x 2 Grandfather Edward Senior is buried there.   

When we got to Durham we walked over a bridge to cross the river to get to New Elvet where we visited the Half Moon Inn.  I think it took us about five or ten minutes, not long to reach the Church after visiting the pub where Edward had been proprietor in 1800s.

This is a beautiful Church - still very old fashioned looking interior and this has a very peaceful, timeless atmosphere inside. Huge tombstones fill the Churchyard.  The Church is not too far of a walking distance from city centre - if the one I went to is the one in the St Oswald's area being  referred to on this thread.
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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #128 on: Friday 29 June 18 14:23 BST (UK) »
Jay, thanks for the clarification re the boundary.  It must have been close.

Malcolm, I was obsessed with hieroglyphics as a child.

RTL, I hope to visit the church later in the year.

One minor update, I recently noticed that Jane Adamson's son, Ernest Victor Leggett, b 1896, Barningham, married in 1934.  One of the witnesses was Violet Adamson.  Who was she...?  I wondered if it could be Jane's daughter, Violet Mary Leggett, having adopted her mother's surname...  Or someone totally different?

Martin

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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #129 on: Saturday 30 June 18 00:02 BST (UK) »
   I had a look at some results in the 1939 register but couldn't identify any that came up as being Jane's daughter, Violet.    There were many of them with that name so could be someone else and in that case I think it would have to be from Jane's Adamson family elsewhere.    More likely that Violet got married well before 1934 and if so could be the Violet Adamson who married Joseph Baum in Gateshead in 1926.

    One course of action would be to try and pick out Leggett's living in South Shields in the 1939 register and see if she could be ruled out from that.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields


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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #130 on: Saturday 30 June 18 12:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Martin,

I have had a chance to pop into the library at North Shields today.  I haven't been able to find anything specifically to answer your query.  However, I will add some information found on names mentioned on this thread, hoping this may be useful perhaps, even just in the way to expand your records:

Burial of John Adamson at Preston Cemetery, North Shields
Entry: 1155
Seventy Six years
Upholsterer
Death Occurred: Walker Place
Burial Date: Seventh November 1876
Ceremony Performed By: 'A Jenkinson Methodist Free Church Minister'
Buried: Unconsecrated Ground 2210
Removed from the 'Township of Tynemouth'

Henry Thompson buried Preston Cemetery, North Shields
Entry: 2039
74 years
Agent
Place of Death: South Shields
Burial Date: 29 Jan 1891
Ceremony performed by: J (?) (Oliver?)
Free Methodist Minister
Unconsecrated Ground: 1732
Removed from the 'Township of South Shields'

Shields Daily News - 2 May 1882 Page 2 Column 2
COALS! COALS! COALS!
SWANSON'S DEPOT,
TYNEMOUTH ROAD, NORTH SHIELDS
NOTICE
MR HENRY THOMPSON
69 Bedford Street, North Shields, has been appointed our Agent, to receive Orders for Coals, and all Orders sent to his residence will have his prompt and best attention.
Mr Thompson was formerly connected with this Depot for about eight years.
For the Durham and Northumberland Coal Co.,
JOHN G. SWANSON
Note.- ALL OUR COALS ARE VERY GOOD AT PRESENT.'

I think you will enjoy your visit to the St Oswald Church, Martin.  This is a beautiful Church and it is like stepping back in time inside.  Thankfully, unlike many other Churches this does not appear to have been modernised.  It is very peaceful inside and visitors can pop in to just look around or slip into a pew to pray.  This is one of the most interesting Churches I have ever visited.



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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #131 on: Sunday 01 July 18 12:41 BST (UK) »
Malcolm, during my next ancestry library visit I will look into Durham Leggets in 1939.

RTL, thank you for your time and efforts. I don't understand the references to unconsecrated ground.  I think you mistyped a date at one point, 2210.  The reference to Henry and his coal is particularly interesting. Thank you. We will only have time for one day in Durham, but visiting some churches will be high on our list.

I am starting to wonder if I will ever know the truth about the early years of Jane Adamson.

Martin

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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #132 on: Sunday 01 July 18 12:49 BST (UK) »
I believe any burial other than standard Anglican would be in 'Unconsecrated' ground. (Roman Catholic, Methodist etc) That is not a date it is the grave number/location - 2210.

I think at that early time they were not using grave section references so I do not know the exact section location.  The staff in the office there would likely be able to let you know though.  Perhaps if they have grave stones any inscriptions may give more clues.

http://www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com/page8.htm

Hopefully, the above link on a local website will show a Preston Cemetery map.
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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #133 on: Sunday 01 July 18 12:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you. Apologies for my date confusion.

Martin

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Re: When you can't quite prove two people are one and the same...
« Reply #134 on: Sunday 01 July 18 22:42 BST (UK) »
Malcolm, during my next ancestry library visit I will look into Durham Leggets in 1939.

I am starting to wonder if I will ever know the truth about the early years of Jane Adamson.

Martin

      I am quite confident that you will know the whole story in good time.    In the meantime we must never give up on any unfinished search.    I know from so many other cases that something quite extraordinary turns up out of the blue.   The first one that comes to mind is a letter in which an address led to the whole story unfolding.     Somewhere in some box bought at an op shop there will be souvenirs, mementoes and perhaps more letters wherein Jane kept her most inner secrets.

     I don't think inspiration will come from within a church, but standing by a grave might do it.   They are no longer there but a visiting presence is noted and even acted on as I discovered with the Benjamin Willis case.

      All the best with the search and your trip around the North East.   Malcolm
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields