Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)

[solidrock]

I found my family tree in ancestry.com and there are a few hints to do with my Dad who I know all about but to access them I have to sign up for 6 months for US 99.00, which is about 130.00 Australian and more if I can pay with PayPal as PP has their own exchange rate.

Does'nt Ancestry do a monthly sub? It does in UK. My Heritage subs are annually which make it very expensive to start after you've used your free limit.
Youv'e probably got these but just incase...

Martha 1871... https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXQ-XMC

RANDALL, GEORGE        73      
GRO Reference: 1859  S Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 233

RANDALL, MARTHA  AUGUSTA      86      
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 307

National Probate Calendar Ancestry
Martha Augusta RANDALL  widow d. 14 Mar 1878 Normanton Terrace Derby.....
executors Henry Anthony RANDALL, tobacconist, son, of Derby...and...Walter RANDALL mercer and draper, son, of Derby....

I'm just wondering if this is Martha in 1861, wrongly transcribed as Martha M...

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76Y-S5M

[xiaolu]

You listed 8 children of George Randall and his wife between 1850 and 1865.

And then he left,  and she took up with Mr Ayre,  and had more children.  This must have happened fairly soon after 1865, if she had more children.   So,  your grandfather must have been quite small when his father left.

[solidrock]

There is a Mather with no given name but with right date in this tree on Familysearch   KJZG-NDR ​

The  parents Archibald Mather and Elisabeth Carnell were married in the same church as George and Martha also there is a brother Joseph Birch Mather died in Adelaide, South Australia 1869.
 

 

[Dee Lusional]

Sorry soildrock, I'm not getting much time to reply to your posts. My mum mentioned in her notes that there was a Mather relative somewhere. My grandfather, Walter, was born 29 April, 1863 but looking at the year George finished up as a publican - 1870 and when Ellen said she was widowed - 1871, he would have been 7 or 8 when his father disappeared, but he still grew up with his mother, Ellen who would have passed on the family stories (or her stories) to him when he was an adult. 

[xiaolu]

You've found that he was in England in the 1841 census and not there in the 1851 census.

Well,  you found he was apparently not still living with his parents in 1851.   How many 23-28 year old men did,  then or now ?  You did not actually find that he was not in England.

There's lots of other George Randalls in England in 1851.

And it seems a bit odd,  there is a whole list of children,  and then another one suddenly appears who just happens to have to have the right name.  Is there any actual source for this daughter Martha ?

You need to be a bit careful about research done 20 or 30 years ago before the Internet.  It was hard work, back then.  In can be very difficult to connect immigrants to Australia ( including convicts ),  to their families of origin in the UK or anywhere else for that matter.   There is no shortage of instances where someone has taken the easy way out,  just picked a person with the same name at random,  that'l do,  and then a short time later this spurious connection appears on lots of family trees as an extablished fact.

[xiaolu]

It's very difficult searching Australian records online. Some census records were pulped in the 1890s and some records have been lost in a fire. To access some records I would have to pay, which I don't mind but don't want to pay for a subscription only to find there's nothing. Also, any census records that may help can't be accessed online. I live in the bush so it's not easy getting to the city libraries.

I think you are going about it the wrong way.    There is almost no usable census information in Australia.   If you have been following "how to research your family tree" advice from the UK or North America,  you won't get very far.

A key thing, in Australia, is birth, marriage and death certificates, or transcriptions of them.  If properly filled in,  these are more informative than English ones.  You've got George and Ellen's marriage certificate, which is good.  Have you got any of the children's South Australia birth certificates ?   They should corroborate George and Ellen's age and birthplace. I'd advise getting the first one and the second one and your grandfather Walter's.

[Dee Lusional]

This is my first reply that I've just finished writing: Hi xiaolu, There is an actual source for Martha Augusta being one of George's children, it's just that my cousin didn't list her in the first hand-written family tree she did but did so in the following one. The research I'm putting on here was done by my distant cousin who used the Internet and obtained hard copy certificates as well as travelled around the country to do more search i.e church, cemetery records etc. My mum did a lot of research prior to the Internet, obtained hard copy certificates, and details from overseas and this is matching up with what my cousin has discovered.

It's well noted that our George was in Australia in 1850 because of his marriage certificate.

Reply to your latest post: I haven't been following any 'how to research', just doing my own thing and using what I already have. I have my grandfather, Walter's, birth certificate and it has recorded his parents - George and Ellen,  and that George was a publican and their residence as Mt Gambier, but not their birth details.

[xiaolu]

It might be worth looking at this guy:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/195936908

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/158927000

You might also want to look at the history of the Janeway brothers,  who were farmers at Strathalbyn  and also moved to the Mount Gambier area at about the same time.

[solidrock]

"It might be worth looking at this guy:"
That looks interesting xiaolu.