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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 30 May 18 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hi  Belle G, you have been busy,  lot of useful information there. You say the marriage record of George and Martha is in poor condition, perhaps we can get a better copy from Nottingham parish records, it may have info that will give us George and Martha's parents so that we can find their births and maybe George's siblings one of which may have been a shipbuilder. I think we can safely assume that your George in Aus. is the correct one by his first girl child being named Martha Augusta and the first boy child named George. His age on the marriage cert. is the only fly in the ointment but he may not of know his age or he lied. I don't think the FindMyPast record of Georges burial will give much information and I could'nt find any other records of it anywhere, perhaps we need to contact Numurkah Cemetery to see if they have a record.
I've just got back from our weekly trip to the mainland for supplies and I'm a bit tired now but I'll get back on the case tomorrow if we have electricity, (one of the pleasures of living on an island in a third world country).

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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 30 May 18 09:58 BST (UK) »
Wow, solidrock, fancy living on an island - that's incredible! Thanks for replying to my post when you're tired. I'll catch up with you tomorrow if you have electricity  :)

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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 31 May 18 02:18 BST (UK) »
Not having much luck finding anything so far, Aus records seem so hard to search if your not used to them. Searched passenger lists for SA 1850 George does'nt seem to be there, try 1849 later. Looked for the births of George and Ellen's children and only found 2 ...

1855 RANDALL  Ann.    Father   George  RANDALL.    Mother    Helen  JANEWAY.      Adelaide          5/95
1856 RANDALL  George.   Father  George  RANDALL .   Mother   Helen  JANEWAY.     Strathalbyn         9/69
 
and George and Ellen's marriage..

1850   4/194    RANDALL  George .   JANEWAY  Ellen.    Adelaide

I don't know how complete SA BMD's are or if some of the children were born elsewhere.

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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 31 May 18 03:23 BST (UK) »
Hi solidrock, It's very difficult searching Australian records online. Some census records were pulped in the 1890s and some records have been lost in a fire. To access some records I would have to pay, which I don't mind but don't want to pay for a subscription only to find there's nothing. Also, any census records that may help can't be accessed online. I live in the bush so it's not easy getting to the city libraries. I've been going through passenger lists looking for George, but it's very time consuming. Here is the link I've been looking at: http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/BSA/SAShips1850.htm

I found that George once again applied for a publican licence at the Prince Albert Hotel in 1869 and held it until 1870. His wife remarried in 1890 and stated that she was widowed in 1871. She had two children to her second marriage: Benjamin born 1875 and Florence born 1877 so she was obviously living in sin when she could have remarried if George was actually dead so he must have disappeared.

We have all the birth details for George and Ellen's children. Birth places are: Adelaide, Strathalbyn, Turkey Gully, Kondaperinga SA, Mt Gambier, Port McDonnell, and Allendsdale.

I think I might have to give up on George, it's taking up such a lot of time, for you too I guess  :)


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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #40 on: Thursday 31 May 18 03:51 BST (UK) »
Hey don't give up so easily, it took 15 years to build my tree. The passenger lists I've been searching are originals...

https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/passenger-lists-view/1850/

You've found what you originally were looking for, Georges parents and I'm sure we can get further given time. I agree with you about pay sites but sometimes they are useful if there is a hint of something you're looking for.  ;D

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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 31 May 18 06:44 BST (UK) »
Wow, you're good! How did you find those passenger lists? I'm not very good at this and to be honest I'd probably rather poke my eyes out with a stick.

We are doing well with George though.

It certainly does seem as though we've found the right George.

You've found that he was in England in the 1841 census and not there in the 1851 census.
The time period of around 20 years the neighbour stated that George had left his family at Port MacDonnell prior to his death in 1889 matches George's last known whereabouts of 1870. Also, Ellen remarried in 1890 when she must have been sure he'd died. The neighbour also stated that George said he was born or was from Derby, England and he arrived in Australia in 1850.

The only things that don't match are his age on his marriage certificate and his birth year

The story of sailing his father's boat out from England and selling the cargo is odd, but he did have money to buy the land and build the farmhouse (Dingley Dell), which would be hard to save on a labourer's income. If I had capital of some type I would keep it intact to purchase something worthwhile rather than live off it so this may explain why he was working.

Have I forgotten anything?

After what I've looked at over the last week or so, I can certainly understand that it took 15 years for you to build your tree. I've had my notes, certificates etc for years and only just started looking at them because after my brother died in 2014 his grandson (12 at the time) wanted to know the family history. I promised the boy's father (my nephew) that there was no family tree, but if they were ever up this way they could photocopy what they wanted. Well, my nephew is coming up this way in July so I thought I'd put something together for him - sometimes I'm just too kind!!!

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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 31 May 18 08:34 BST (UK) »
In the 1851 it says George (1788) was born in Southwell, Nottinghamshire. Martha just Nottinghamshire. Need to find someone who has got access to Nottinghamshire PR's.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDF-3LP

Have you built a tree online yet? You can do that for free on Ancestry then you may get some hints for other records.

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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 31 May 18 09:00 BST (UK) »
I saw somewhere that Martha's maiden name is Mather and that's what it looks like on their marriage record.

I've started family trees on different sites over the years, but never followed through with them. Last week I downloaded one I could work in in PDf and have filled that out. I have one on My Heritage, but just about every time I get a match, I have to subscribe to see it. The fees are quite high because of the Aussie dollar and I don't get much time to do research. Strangely enough I haven't seen much in the way for matches for Randalls but plenty for the other side of my family - Arnolds. I'll login to Ancestry.com and see what's happening with my family tree

I went through the passenger list you gave me the link for and the only one I found close to Randall is George Rundle, farm labourer from Cornwall, age 22 arrived on the Joseph Soames.

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Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 31 May 18 09:10 BST (UK) »
I found my family tree in ancestry.com and there are a few hints to do with my Dad who I know all about but to access them I have to sign up for 6 months for US 99.00, which is about 130.00 Australian and more if I can pay with PayPal as PP has their own exchange rate.