Chasing Laughland, Lachlan, Lanchline, Laughlan

[shanreagh]

Are you able to put up the copy of the marriage certificate without the handwriting around it please? I am trying to bring up the image of the writing in the actual certificate but it pixelates probably because of the additional information around it.  At first glance William describes himself as a bachelor and none of the children are described.

[shanreagh]

On the following site there is a reference to a marriage of a William Loughlin in 1846. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

The certificate is available for purchase.  Details are below.

Newtown Limavady was the older name for Limavady and you will note that already there have been possible 'sightings' around this town Drumachose  etc of Loughlins.  If you do decide to purchase this marriage certificate it is usually better to ask for a photocopy of the record rather than a transcription. 

Name   WILLIAM LOUGHLIN
Date of Event   1846
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Newtownlimavady
Returns Year   1846
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   9
Returns Page No   315

[joody_anne]

Where do I apply for a photocopy please?

[shanreagh]

Follow the link, and find the entry. It has the details of the place to apply.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

The volume number etc are in the listing I have already put up. 

I think in the marriage certificate of 1855 the residence might be Partick rather than Patrick.   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partick

[joody_anne]

I am pretty sure Samuel was not Jane Grieve's son, even though he was born in Barony Lanarkshire.
I was sure he had married prior to having Samuel to an Elizabeth (either Bell or Kerr), and she died not long after his birth, then he married Jane Grieve.

[shanreagh]

Not sure when exactly Samuel was born in 1851, but there is a Lanarkshire death for a wee baby with a parent called William.

It may be that Elizabeth Kerr/Bell Loughlin died around then?
Name   Mclachlan
Gender   Male
Birth Date   01 Nov 1852
Birthplace   GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date   01 Nov 1852
Father's Name   William Mclachlan

Perhaps William and Elizabeth got married in Scotland?

Name   William Lauchlan
Spouse's Name   Elizabeth Kerr
Event Date   29 Oct 1848
Event Place   Ayr,Ayr,Scotland

There is  a Kerr family around Limavady in Griffiths so likely that the families would have known each other, ie lived close by. 

Do you have your line back to these Williams and the Samuel?

[aghadowey]

Kerr is a common enough name around Limavady so that won't be enough to assume any sort of connection to your family. My Kerr ancestors from Drumachose Parish (just outside Limavady) also used the spelling Carr. Burials took place at the old Drumachose burying ground but very few stones remain and many of them are hardly legible or illegible.

William was born in Drumachose, Derry. on 15th April 1827.
This would likely be Drumachose Parish in Co. Londonderry. If the marriage was Church of Ireland then the records are quite good for such an early period.
C.I.  Drumachose  (Derry diocese)  Baptisms, 1730-52 and 1804-98; marriages, 1728-53 and 1805-45; burials, 1730-36 and 1804-81; etc. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf

[joody_anne]

I know the name Kerr could be correct, but this is what threw me - the name Bell.   I can't find her birth, or their marriage though there is a death for her in 23 Sept 1854 aged 30 (of decline) - that would have been 3 years after Samuel was born, and 12 months before William married Jane Grieve when Samuel was just 2 years old in the 1861 census.

This marriage looked likely, but the year would be wrong.
Name:   Elizabeth Bell
Gender:   Female
Marriage Date:   18 Jul 1845
Marriage Place:   Barony,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse:   William Mclachlan
FHL Film Number:   0994192, 0994193, 0994194, 0994195, 1041481, 0994191

1851 census
Name:   William Laughline
Age:   24
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1827
Relationship:   Lodger
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Ireland
Parish Number:   622
Civil Parish:   Barony
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:   
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County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   524 Duke Street
Occupation:   Labourer - Brickfield
ED:   5C
Page:   13
Household schedule number:   48
LINE:   9
Roll:   CSSCT1851_145
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Bell   34
Margaret Bell   30
Margaret Bell   15
John Bell   12
Elizabeth Bell   10
Jane Bell   7
Mary Bell   4
William Bell   11 Mo
William Laughline   24
Elisabeth Lanchline   24
Samuel Lanchline   2 Mo
Source Citation
Parish: Barony; ED: 5C; Page: 13; Line: 9; Roll: CSSCT1851_145; Year: 1851

Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1851 Scotland Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.

Original data: Scotland. 1851 Scotland Census. Reels 1-217. General Register Office for Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland.

It seems they were boarders, with the Bell family - her brother perhaps?

In 1841
Name:   Elizabeth Bell
Age:   14
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1827
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish:   Gorbals
County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   Eglinton Street
Occupation:   Worsted Spinner
Parish Number:   644/2
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Robert Bell   40
Ann Bell   40
Janet Bell   20
Margaret Bell   15
Elizabeth Bell   14
John Bell   12
Robert Bell   5
James Bell   3

In 1851
Name:   Elizabeth Bell
Age:   24
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1827
Relationship:   Daughter
Father:   William Bell
Mother:   Mary Bell
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Barony, Lanark
Parish Number:   652
Civil Parish:   Old Monkland
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Town:   Barrachnie
County:   Lanarkshire
Address:   Flocks
Occupation:   At Home
ED:   31
Page:   18
Household schedule number:   64
LINE:   16
Roll:   CSSCT1851_171
Household Members:   
Name   Age
William Bell   49
Mary Bell   49
Elizabeth Bell   24
Mary Bell   18
William Bell   15
James Kinniburgh   19

Hmmmm I dont think that is right, as Elizabeth is in two 1851 censuses aged 24 in both
Meanwhile I will look up your suggestions and get back to you.

[shanreagh]

Thanks Aghadowey.  Hadn't meant to say for definite any connection Kerr/Carr connection. 

While I am keen to help it does seem as though this is developing into a rather scattergun approach. 

OP I would be keen for you to set out the later generations perhaps from say your grandfather back to either of the Williams/Samuel.  This means that we are able to share in finding/referencing the connections ourselves.....many eyes etc.  I am not sure, from what you have been posting, if you have fully explored this...ie looked at siblings and how the surnames have been rendered as you go back etc. 

I am not sure if the Bell option is a goer, yet. Th reason for this is that while  you have put William's status in the 1851 census you have not put Elisabeth's or John Bell's.  So what did she say her relationship was to either the Bell family or even to William himself.  In the 1851 census there is a 10 year old Elisabeth.  I think to explore the Bell connection then concentrate on tracking back or forward the Bell family  appearing in the 1851 census where you find William, Samuel and Elisabeth.  It may be that they were known to either of the Ireland based families, they may have gone over before.  I would also see if I could see a connection between the 10 year old Elizabeth Bell and the 24 year old Elisabeth Laughlin.....god parent, sponsor etc?

Is the death of Elisabeth Bell in 1854 under the name Bell or Laughlin or alternative spelling?