Frances/Fanny Goldsmith b. in London "1823"

[adam_in_SW_Middx]

This is the best family history research I have come across, thank you so much as it adds a lot to my family history and makes for my only truly local roots!!!!     An scholar and a gent you are Sir, much appreciated!

[trish1120]

Excellent work jonw65.

1861 it appears Frances is still alive, down as FRANCIS Minton 1798 Wesrminster.
A Widow, occp Charwoman.

Cant find her in 1851 Census.

Aaah found her 1871 lodging in Staines;
James Harris, 72
Susannah Harris, 65
Eliza Rump, 16
Sophia Rump, 16
George Rump, 14
Alfred Rump, 9
Francis MENTON, 74, Lodger, Widow, no employment, born London*******

Death Reg  for Frances Minton Dec 1873 Staines age 75 (FreeBMD)

And from GRO;
Death Reg;
MINTON, JAMES, age    62
GRO Reference: 1856  M Quarter in STAINES  Volume 03A  Page 4

Trish

[adam_in_SW_Middx]

  you have done well on the rest of her life and that I found yesterday rapidly on familysearch; given she had so many children who in turn averaged about 8 children (including mortalities) and into the next generations into the early 1900s and so on they have many hundreds of descendants.

The question I cannot find is now this new Frances Gurney who lived to 75 (unlike her daughter my ancestor Frances who lived to 32), who were her parents?  This Berks/Bucks family must be discounted and I note a certain "Pauline Batterby" researched that contemporary Frances Gurney that she died in Shoreditch and wrongly put in the St James's Westminster marriage to Goldsmith which is totally misleading.  I think lowly Westminster records might be dry for births in that 1790s period, I don't know.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=paulbatt&id=I00608

[trish1120]

I tried to find Frances Gurney/Gunning c 1798-1800 ish also with no luck.
Being in Australia unless records are on-line I cant help with Westminster queries. Hopefully someone else can

[[Ray]]

1841 Staines has the 2x Frances (Minten/Goldsmeeth) written as
"Fran ^s" short for Frances.

[adam_in_SW_Middx]

True I am guessing whoever regularly transcribes that as Francis is pretty ignorant!

[sarah]

whoever regularly transcribes that as Francis is pretty ignorant!

there are nicer and more constructive ways of putting your point across..it is more helpful to add information that helps everyone.

 

[adam_in_SW_Middx]

Fine.  Pre 1911 ( esp.) 6-letter plus names may have been abbreviated and then mauled by current most popular usually free databases.  This is compounded by use of copperplate joined up superscript and other long-lost practices but Which are to scholars well known and quickly researchable

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