Who were the wives of Rev Timothy Thomas (12th March 1720- 12th Nov 1768)

[rkive82]

The Reverend Timothy Thomas was my 4th great-grandfather. He was born on 12th March 1720 in Ty-Hen, Caio, Carmarthenshire and died on 12th November 1768.
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His first wife was said to be "native of Llanllwnni , who died within a year, and who bore him a daughter, who married Rees Saunders, Bryn, Llanllwnni, uncle of David Saunders."
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His second wife (who was my 4th great-grandmother) was supposedly born in 1733 'of Aberduar." She presented Timothy with five sons and lived until 20th April 1822. "In 1753 a daughter of Williams of Trebŵl and grand-daughter of the family of Maes-isaf whither he went to live."
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 I'm hoping we can discover more about the lady who died 20th April 1822.
Thanks
Richard

[osprey]

There's a marriage in Pencarreg 14 July 1769 for Rees Sanders of Llanllwni & Hannah Thomas of Pencarreg, witnesses Zacharias Thomas & David Saunders, all signed.

The marriage bonds at NLW include one from Nov 14 1753 for Timothy Thomas of Pencarreg & Elinor Williams of Pencarreg. Register isn't online so can't check witnesses.

[rkive82]

Thank you Osprey.
Did you mean 14 July 1769 (not 1869) for the marriage of Rees Saunders and Hannah Thomas?
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The 14 November 1753 date would fit into our time frame.
If we could find a will for Rev. Timothy Thomas, it would certainly help our cause.
Richard

[osprey]

oops, I did indeed! 

I've checked the NLW & the wills on Ancestry with no success.

 

[rkive82]

Thanks for trying.
The 20th April 1822 death date came from Robert Moseley Bryce Thomas with a question mark.
So it would have been Elinor Thomas dying on that date and I am guessing that she would still have been living in Carmarthenshire close to Pencarreg.
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The name Elinor appears quite frequently in our Welsh Thomas family.
Richard

[rkive82]

I want to revisit this topic, focusing on the two wives of Rev Timothy Thomas 1720-1768.
Timothy's second marriage was to the "daughter of Williams of Trebwl." We think this is Elinor but where can the official record be found? Was Trebwl a property in Carmarthenshire? Is it near or a part of Llanpumpsaint?
Timothy died in 1768 and we have 20th April 1822 as the date of Elinor's death. Why can't we find a death record? Did Eleanor remarry? Was she born in Llanlleoni (or similar name)? Where is that?
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Timothy's first marriage was to "daughter of Llanllwnni" 1723-c1750. Who might that be if they married about 1743? We think a daughter, Hannah from this marriage married Rees Sanders. What happened to Hannah?
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I have attached my family chart and hope I can update it with more info about Timothy's wives.

[osprey]

Trebwl in Llanpumsaint

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01taf/

and one in Llanfynydd

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tag/

[rkive82]

Those are great maps. Thank you Osprey.
Are they in the public domain and OK to copy?
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I see some of the older (c1700) records have some words in Latin. Was that the case for most Church records about that time?
For example, I see a name Guilemi (or similar) which I am guessing would be William in modern day English.
Richard

[osprey]

yes, that would be William. You find more Latin the further back you go.

The maps come from this site - hours of fun!
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/