Looking for Origins of my family history - Pyefinch

[niallm155]

So I'm aware of a Frederick Pyefinch who moved to Scotland from Plumbstead, but how do I find out more?

Always figured the family were foreign (Danish) given the odd name and that they showed up in Gourock (Port town) but as it turns out Frederick moved here from England.

How do I go about looking further into origins pre-1900 and are census informations any well kept?

Cheers!

[avm228]

Welcome!  There are lots of people here to help.  Can you give us a bit more about Frederick to go on (including dates, even if approximate) - what do you know, and what are you hoping to find out?

[niallm155]

Great! Yeah, absolutely!

So Frederick and Marrion married sometime in the early 1900s and are my Great-Great-Grandparents (I think).

I have this information:

Reference RG11, Piece 747, Folio 122, Page 1
1a Sandy Hill, Woolwich

Piefinch, William  Head  M  47  Labourer in Arsenal  b Ludlow
Piefinch, Fanny  Wife  F  36  b Bridgeport, Somerset
Piefinch, Alfred  Son  M  10  Scholar  b India
Piefinch, Herbert  Son  M  7  Scholar  b Woolwich
Piefinch, Charles  Son  M  5  Scholar  b Woolwich
Piefinch, William  Son  M  1yr 10 months  b Woolwich


and 10 years on, in 1891

RG12, 533, 52, 48
5 Sandy Hill, Woolwich

Pyefinch, William  Head  Single(!!)  M  55  Royal Arsenal  b Ludlow, Shropshire
Pyefinch, Frances F  Sister-in-Law  Widow  F  44  b Bridford, Dorset
Pyefinch, Herbert  Son  M  16  Metal Turner Royal Arsenal  b Woolwich
Pyefinch, Frederick  Son  M  15  ?? Shop, Royal Arsenal  b Woolwich
Pyefinch, William  Son  M  11  Scholar  b Woolwich
Pyefinch, George  Son  M  9  Scholar  b Woolwich
Pyefinch, Charles  Son  M  6  Scholar  b Woolwich

So it would appear my Grandfather (etc) moved here from Plumbstead in England near London, is this as far back as I can trace them?

I've found more information about Pyefinches in Canada (You'll note the spelling seems to have changed from Piefinch to Pyefinch between census also) but I highly doubt the name originated abroad and CAME to England, surely?

Cheers!

[niallm155]

I would also add that there are several differences in the information given by each census, but the core is largely the same, leading me to believe that it's the same family ...?

[avm228]

Is it Frederick Charles you are interested in (enumerated as Charles in 1881, Frederick in 1891)?

He married Rose Picton in 1897 and they had sons Albert Victor in 1899 and Frederick William in 1903.

Where (and when) do you find your Frederick and Marrion?

[niallm155]

I see.

Well maybe I was being overly hopeful then. It's such an unusual name I had hoped it was the same!

Frederick is my (whatever) Grandfather who moved to Scotland from England, as this Frederick did - my Frederick moved to Gourock.

Albert Victor I have no knowledge of, all I know is that my (whatever -1) Grandfather was Frederick and that he married a Marrion Orr in Gourock.

I had hoped this Frederick who moved to Scotland with Albert was the same Frederick who married Marrion!

Back to the drawing boards I guess!

[avm228]

You’ll need to use Scotlands People to find the marriage of your Frederick to Marrion Orr.

The good news is that Scottish vital records are excellent - their marriage entry should tell you the names of their parents, which will enable you to take the research further.

Will you update with the results of that?  Then we can try to help further.

[avm228]

I see from the ScotlandsPeople index that the marriage is of Frederick William Pyefinch to Marion Orr in 1927. (You will need to buy credits to see the full entry).

That is promising - as I mentioned, Frederick William b 1903 was one of the sons of Frederick Charles Pyefinch and Rose nee Picton. So you may be on the right track, just a generation out.

[niallm155]

Great, yeah! So I have

PYEFINCH ALBERT FREDERIC

M

1927

567/2 64

Gourock

The parents are

 PYEFINCH FREDERICK WILLI

ORR MARION

1927

567/2 41

Gourock