Roseanna (aka Rose Anna) GAIN arr Port Chalmers 1880

[Tgapitbull]

Copy of marriage cert Joseph Page/Elizabeth Gain received today.  Details as follows:
Date - 16 January 1889
Place - St Saviours church, West Lyttelton
Groom - Joseph Page age 49 years, Shipwright, Widower, Dec 24 1886
Birthplace - Gloucester, England
Residence present/usual - Lyttelton - Lyttelton
Father - John Page - Carpenter
Mother - Elizabeth Page nee Wood
Bride - Elizabeth Gain age 46 years, Spinster
Birthplace - London, England
Residence present/usual - Lyttelton - Lyttelton
Father - William Gain - Silk Mercer
Mother - Catherine Gain nee Brady
Joseph Page and Elizabeth Gain both signed
Witnesses:
William B Gain, Waimate, Silk Mercer
Joseph Linart, Lyttelton, Railway employee
Adelaide Gain - sister of the bride

It appears that Roseanna, Elizabeth and Adelaide were sisters and William B Gain was their father.
Will do some checking.

Wendy

[kiwihalfpint]

Hi Wendy,

I wondered if William and Adelaide were family, when I came across their names earlier on in the search.   They both departed London on the 27 October 1883 on the ship Tongario, arriving Otago/Christchurch. 


Cheers
KHP

[Lucy2]

Super find earlier on your behalf, KHP (putting those pieces of jigsaw together, behind the scenes).  Well done.   

   ~  Lu

[spades]

Hi Wendy,

I haven't read your topic for awhile but have you considered contacting the Port Chalmers Museum? They hold a database titled Port Chalmers Early People, which is an excellent resource. If I remember correctly it is possible to contribute information as well.

So if your individual lived in or around Port Chalmers they might appear in this database.

Spades

[Tgapitbull]

Thanks KHP, Lucy 2 and Spades for your postings.
Good guess about William and Adelaide Gain KHP.
I have checked Ancestry, Findmypast and Familysearch but have not been able to locate anything further, unless I have missed the obvious.
As William Gain was a Silk Mercer I also checked the Records of London's Livery Companies online but found nothing relevant.
I had not thought about checking the Port Chalmers Museum mainly because the family was around the Canterbury area - Lyttelton and Waimate.
I visited the Museum in 2014 - it is well worth a visit.
I am intrigued about "Blackburn(e)" used as a middle name by William and Elizabeth.  So far I have not been able to find out where this name came from - any thoughts?
Wendy

[wivenhoe]

"...William B Gain, Waimate, Silk Mercer"  (witness at marriage)

Possibly this is B(LACKBURN)…...or B(RADY)?

What is your interest in this family. Are you related...….. to …..who?

What are these people doing in NZ.....all arriving at very adult age......and Rosanna marries so soon after arriving. I think the GAINs have family in NZ when they arrive.

From marriage certificate -

Father - William Gain - Silk Mercer
Mother - Catherine Gain nee Brady
Joseph Page and Elizabeth Gain both signed
Witnesses:
William B Gain, Waimate, Silk Mercer

Is this two different William GAINs....one has no second given name. William B, the witness is obviously alive...…..but he is not necessarily, also,  William the father?

[kiwihalfpint]

I wondered as well if they had family here before arriving.

William B. Gain, death date, 14 Jul 1893, Linwood Cemetery.
Cemetery:    Linwood Cemetery

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2154546/memorial-search?firstName=&lastName=gain&page=1#sr-142020682

Only way to find out if they are two different people or one, is to see if there is a death notice published, if family is mentioned.

Cheers
KHP

Just to add:  In my own research recently of family members going to the USA, some records were found with their single name and with their middle names.

[Tgapitbull]

Thanks Wivenhoe and KHP for your postings.
I have no connection to this family.  My interest is that Roseanna signed the 1893 Women's Suffrage Petition and was from Waimate.  My maternal family is from Waimate.
In regards to there being one/two William Gains - I found from the NZDIA Death Index the following:
1893 - William Gain age 83 y born c 1810
1918 - Thomas William age 23 y born c 1895
1952 - William Richard age 71 y born c 1881
I have ruled out the last two as they do not appear to fit  age wise so this leaves William who died in 1893.
The 1890 ER for Canterbury, Akaroa has William Blackburn Gain, Selwyn Tce, Gentleman.
The next William Gain I found is one in the 1905-06 ER for Tauranga occ Saddler.  Based on area and occupation I have ruled this one out as well.
Roseanna Gain and Elizabeth Gain arrived in NZ in 1880 and William Gain and Adelaide Gain arrived in 1883, whether there were any other family members in NZ at the time I don't know at this stage.
Going back to details from the m/c for Joseph Page/Elizabeth Gain, I have not been able to find her birth c 1843 in London from the FreeUKBMD, Ancestry, Findmypast, Familysearch or census records.  I have yet to explore different spellings of her surname and whether she was living elsewhere at the time the census were taken.
Wendy

[Tgapitbull]

Thanks KHP for the link to Findagrave.
Friends of Linwood cemetery advise that sadly there is no headstone on William's grave so no further information there.
Wendy