Need Help looking up Ancestors

[jowen1986]

Thank you Billy. I will try to obtain records when I can and see what I come up with. I will also work towards the dna side of it.

[Billy_B]

Thank you Billy. I will try to obtain records when I can and see what I come up with. I will also work towards the dna side of it.

I am an advocate of DNA testing for genealogical purposes, although you might not get any easy answers and you do need a solid family tree to get the best out of it. However, Owen is a popular surname so being able to find your branch and their deeper origins may help you figure out where your male line came from, especially as you may find your investigations running into a brick wall when the family moved from Wales. There is an Owen group at FTDNA:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Owen/default.aspx?section=yresults

[jowen1986]

I am part of the group on ftdna, but nothing comes back so far. The only thing I have to go on is I have a aunt who married a male heir of a female from the Lancasters, rumors of Owain Glyndwr and William the conqueor, possibly the tudors. Who knows. I need the ydna testing to be done, thats for sure.

[Billy_B]

I am part of the group on ftdna, but nothing comes back so far. The only thing I have to go on is I have a aunt who married a male heir of a female from the Lancasters, rumors of Owain Glyndwr and William the conqueor, possibly the tudors. Who knows. I need the ydna testing to be done, thats for sure.

Definitely. You can start at Y-37 and see how things go, for some people I've worked with in our haplogroup (and in the project for my mother's maiden name which I help admin) that is enough to get them solid results for others (including me) it isn't helpful so you need to dig deeper.

[jowen1986]

Thanks Billy. I will do it as soon as I can to help narrow everything down.

[Billy_B]

Thanks Billy. I will do it as soon as I can to help narrow everything down.

It'll take a bit and may need interpretation (and may not offer any definitive answers, mine hasn't just clues) - in the meantime you can push your family tree back further, if you can get paper links to distant cousins you also match genetically then that is a big bonus.

No guarantees though - on my wife's English side we can get one line back to the 1600s (a 7th or 8th cousin ended up a Mormon, so did a lot of the early work and we've nailed that down and expanded it with further research) and another back to the Normans (thanks to stumbling across a known and well-researched Anglo-Norman name) but confirming any matches on that side is proving difficult. The best matches are on our most poorly documented lines, which is in itself a bonus.

[jowen1986]

I appreciate it. I got your request and approved them. How do I go about requesting the documents and etc.

[Billy_B]

GEORGE Owen age 21, Father HENRY, married Hannah SMITH age 19, Widow, Father James BROOKS,
21 Dec 1865, Liverpool.

Looks like this is Hannah Brooks:

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

• Name:   Hannah Brooks
• Gender:   Female
• Christening Date:   30 Aug 1847
• Christening Date (Original):   30 AUG 1847
• Christening Place:   SAINT PETER,LIVERPOOL,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
• Birth Date:   17 Aug 1847
• Father's Name:   James Brooks
• Mother's Name:   Isabella

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9MD-4WL

Registration:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26YQ-SHW

GRO gives mother's surname, an interesting Irish one:

BROOKS, HANNAH       CONION     
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 972

Then, as she is a Smith and a widow, this seems to be her wedding (at 16):

England Marriages, 1538–1973

• Name:   James Henry Smith
• Spouse's Name:   Hannah Brooks
• Event Date:   14 Sep 1863
• Event Place:   St. Matthias', Liverpool, Lancashire, England
• Father's Name:   George Smith
• Spouse's Father's Name:   James Brooks
• Marital Status:   Single
• Spouse's Marital Status:   Single

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNM5-8Q7

James and Isabella's marriage intentions (they were both 21 at the time, so were born around 1825):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBZQ-Z2R

Registration:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26WG-HKS

[jowen1986]

Great to see the irish flair come out. Alot of celt blood in our names.