Ballingall/Gall surname

[heatherrr]

I've been working on the Ballingall part of my tree and there are certain census/certs I can't find, but there are ones that could fit the gaps, except for the name - Gall.

Has anyone came across these names in their tree, or know if Gall could be a shortened version of Ballingall?

[Fordyce]

Does the following marriage ring any bells?

Jane BULLINGALL & John SHATTON mar 22 Jun 1732 in the English Episcopal Church, Rotterdam, Zuid Holland. A John SHATTON master taylor in Edinburgh in 1730 took on an apprentice: could he be the same person?

BULLINGALL as a surname does occur but only very rarely, so it seems to be a variation on BALLINGALL which I understand comes from the village of the same name in Fife.

The reason I ask is that my 4xgtgdfather is Thomas SHATTON, born abt 1732. His parentage and origins are a mystery - my permanent brickwall. He first turns up as a farm subtenant or labourer in Craigton, Abercorn, West Lothian, already married (well into middle age) to Betty BRASH who was local and somewhat younger. He probably initially worked for George HENDERSON in Craigton.

The SHATTON surname could be a variation on SHOTTON or a surname in its own right, there being a village in England of that name, in the Hope Valley in Derbyshire. I have already established that there is no evidence and no reason to connect my farming Thomas SHATTON to the only Lothians-based SHOTTONs who were pilots on the Forth.

Regarding GALL, I have several of that name in my tree (variations include GAUL and GAA). Check out Black's Surnames of Scotland at <<https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011274175;view=1up;seq=27>> to get a view. At first sight there's no connection with BALLINGALL.

[Rosinish]

Hi Heather,

If you post some info. with names/maiden names/dates/areas you are trying to figure out there may be someone on here who's able to help you as your request is a bit vague?

Annie

[Forfarian]

Has anyone came across these names in their tree, or know if Gall could be a shortened version of Ballingall?

Not according to G F Black's The Surnames of Scotland, as Fordyce already told you five weeks ago.

[heatherrr]

I didn't realise how long ago I posted this and forgot to reply..

In my tree I have James Ballingall who married Margaret MacLeod in 1839 and they had a son John in 1840 (both were in Perth and both of which I have the certs for).

In the 1841 census theres a James "Gall", his wife Margaret McLeod and their son John living in Perth.

Then the 1851 census - what I'm assuming is the same family are still living in Perth but this time with the surname Ballingall.

I've no record of my James Ballingalls death, although there is a James Gall who died in Perth in 1856, with no mention of a wife and it was signed by his brother Alex.

1861 and 1871 census (still in Perth) have a Margaret "Gall" who was widowed by the 1861 census, which fits with the death of James Gall.

I descend from their son John who married Helen Taylor in 1864 in Glasgow but he is living alone (as John Ballingall) in the 1871 census.
There's a "Helen Taylor or Gall" and children (who would match the Ballingall children I have certs for) living in Perth in 1871.

From then on, all records (that I'm aware of) have the name Ballingall.

I'd been trying to go back further than James Ballingall but because it goes back and forth between Gall and Ballingall I wasn't sure if it was the same family. It all just seems too similar not to be.

I hope that all made sense.

[nanville]

HELLO, THERE ARE BALLINGALL'S IN AYRSHIRE , THEIR ROOTS GO BACK TO FIFE ON THE EAST COAST.

HOPE YOU FIND THIS HELPFUL......REGARDS NANVILLE.

[Rosinish]

You've given us the details of where they were living from the census' but failed to state where they were said to be born on those census'?

The 1841 will only give 'Y' or 'N' as to whether born in County.

You don't mention James' occ. from docs. which could help your enigma with the possible name variant.

James' occ. will also be on the marriages of his children (1855 onward) & deaths also usually whether 'deceased' to further help.

Annie

[nanville]

I only know this because a guy that was working at my house was called BALLINGALL I said is your
name local to this area , he said his family originated in FIFE.

REGARDS NANVILLE

[Rosinish]

I only know this because a guy that was working at my house was called BALLINGALL I said is your
name local to this area , he said his family originated in FIFE.

If he had little knowledge past his g/parents then...

I've heard people mention where their family originated but 9 x out of 10 they're talking about 1 or 2 previous generations i.e. not the sort of origins we look for.

Annie