1881 Census lookup request; Johnson

[ward3736]

Ref: Baptism info. no the card definitely says Newton near Gravesend however, it was handwritten by the Vicar (Williams) so it would be subject to human error and Milton would seem more logical.

I should check the Swansea Anglican Church records (or whatever the records would be held) and perhaps it would help to clarify things. 

[ec]

Hi

It appears John Talbot Dillwyn Lllewelyn (1836 -1927)was the Llewelyn who lived/owned Penllergaer at the time concerned (as I am sure you know).  On the face of it there appears to be no apparent link with the Johnsons, but obviously this is not impossible.  Given that he was rather wealthy, it seems strange that he should take only one of the children, leaving the pthers in the childrens home.  2 possibilities occur to me, and I am sure there are others.

1) John TD Llewelyn or one of his children (more likely) had some sort blood link to Ivy
2) given that she did not live at Penllergaer with the family, perhaps her godparents were actually employees of the Llewelyns - say the caretaker of the beach house (known as Caswell Cottage).  This would also tie in with there being no mention of Ivy in the estate records.

I would try and pursue the confirmation/communion records and also try and find out what the local school was and what records exist.  I think you also need to get the death certs for the Johnsons, and if you know the childrens home try and see what records exist for that.

ec

[emilysiobhan]

Hi,

Was Caswell cottage maybe run as some sort of girls home or school? I just found the 1901 census entry and it reads:

RG13/5083 f87 p27

Caswell Cottage
G H Dilwyn Llewellyn    b.1862  female    bn.Coln St Aldwyn, Gloucestershire, England    Head    Oystermouth    Glamorgan    
occupation Matron of home
Beatrice M Daniel    b. 1868    bn Brockley, London, England    Mext?    Oystermouth    Glamorgan under matron
Then some servants..
Then some young girls aged 8-13 listed mostly as boarders occ.scholar...one is a visitor. (sorry for not listing them I'm just a bit busy today)
The girls seem to come from all over and not to have any obvious relationsip with the Llewelyns.

Hope this is some help,

Emily

The GH Dilwyn Llewllyn seems to be Gwendoline, a daughter of John Talbot Dilwyn Llewelyn.

[ward3736]

Ivy's schoolhouse



Notation on back written by G. Llewelyn

[ward3736]

Thanks folks. A picture of my mother's life before she came to Canada is beginning to come together. Its obvious I need to explore the Llewelyn/Wales connections more thoroughly and discover the real reasons why she was raised at Caswell Cottage. At present, my guess is that the Llewelyns were charitable and at one point they probably used Caswell Cottage to take in, educate and raise children who were inmates at workhouses nearby. When Joseph and/or Grace died (probably in the workhouse) my mother was taken by Gwendolyn Llewelyn to Caswell Cottage as my grand parents saw a better life for her there. Again, why the other children didn't get taken by Gwendolyn  is a mystery because it would be logical to not break up the family. Maybe Gwendolyn became my mother's god parent beside it might have been a requirement by law in those days. Anyways ...

Groovy stuff,
It;s comining together

Thanks
Roy
 

[ward3736]

I forgot to mention that there is a trust setup by the Llewelyns called The Penllergare Trust. They have a website at:

http://www.penllergare.org

This gives some historical information about the Llewelyns. However, there is no mention of Caswell Cottage or their activities beyond JDTL's interest in the main estate, photography, and the gardens etc.  Some of the pictures show childrens activities in the gardens etc.

 

[ec]

Contact details for the Director of the Trust, and holder of various archive material documents wills and estate papers on this page

http://www.walesontheweb.org/cayw/collections/en/699721


enquires accepted by email.

ec

[ward3736]

Thanks ec. I will contact them.

[AndyTalbot]

Hi there - I have just come across your posts as I am searching the history of my great great Grandmother - Daisy Valentine Talbot. She was taken in by the Llewelyns of Caswell Cottage and was there in 1911 as a second housemaid (according to the 1911 census). She had a friend we know called Ivy whilst she was there and then called her Daughter Ivy!

Her past also was very secretive and there are many unanswered questions. She was born in London in 1880 and her father was a coachman. We have no idea why or how she ended up at Caswell Cottage.

Hope you can get in touch it seems as though Ivy and Daisy were there together!

Andy