1881 Census lookup request; Johnson

[Tati]

This seems to be in 1871 the family Meliora found in 1861:

RG10/466
Folio 14 p. 21 & 22
St Leonard Shoreditch, London
80 Mansfield Street

Charles R Johnson, head, wid, 60, Brewer's collector, b. Essex Purfleet
Emma, dau, unm, 26, b. Mddx Shoreditch
Sarah, dau, 15, b. do.
Joseph, son, 13, b. do.
Mary Ann Bignell, lodger, wid, 37 (57?), Dressmaker, b. Southampton

Tanja  

[Meliora]

The follow up census to the Joseph Johnson family in the 1861 & 71 censuses

1881 census
Rg11/404  folio 66  page 18
31, Mansfiels St Middsx

William JOHNSTON  age 43,   Machne fitter  b Haggerstone
Elizabeth  wife  age 41  b London
Elizabeth dau  15,   Box Maker  b ditto
William  son age 11   b ditto
Joseph, Unm  brother  age 24  Machine minder (print) b ditto

Is this our Joseph ?   bearing in mind the one in the 1891 census with Amy ?

Meliora

[Tati]

I really wonder how we are going to get further here. You don't have old postcards sent to Ivy by her grandparents by any chance, do you   

I searched and searched again but just can't find a marriage...
 


 

[ward3736]

Tati:

Nothing to Ivy from her grandparents. Also, I have nothing from her parents. I do have a picture of a house at Caswell Bay Wales where she writes a note on the back that says;
This is the house I was raised in.
The house is a beach house owned by the Llewelyns of Penlagaernear (mispelled) near Swansea. I will post the picture.

According to my mother (Ivy), the Llewelyns were her god parents who took her in after the death my grandparents Joseph and Ruth Johnson. 

[ward3736]

Ivy's house she was raised in ...

[ec]

Perhaps you need to try and establish the link to the Llewelyns.  What were their first names/occupation etc.  Perhaps they were related.  You say they were from Penllergear - thats not very close to Caswell Bay - do you mean thats where they originated?

Possible death - Strood is near Gravesend

Deaths Jun 1903

Johnson  Grace  32  Strood  2a 321

ec

[ward3736]

ec - Penllergare was the main house for John D. Llewelyn. They also owned the beach house at Caswell Bay near Swansea plus other stuff I would imagine. My mother's baptismal certificate indicates she attended church at Newton, and/or Oystermouth, or Newton near Gravesend. I talked to someone from the museum in Swansea who knew nothing about my mother staying in the house at Caswell Bay. She also said there was no references to my mother in their collection of Llewelyn papers etc. and did not know that anyone lived at the beach house but it could be a possibility. I sent them the picture of the house and they confirmed that it was the Llewelyn beach house. They also stated that as far as they know, I was the only one that had a picture of the beach house taken during the turn of the century. Any thats all I know about Wales so far.

Regards
Roy     

[ec]

Hi Roy

I think the baptism was actually MILTON near Gravesend, not NEWTON.  Is that right?

I suppose what I am getting at is that there must be a link between the Johnsons and the Llewelyns (of which there are many (John) in the 1901 census, both in and out of Wales).  On the face of it, it appears unlikely - the Johnsons ended up in the Workhouse in Gravesend and the Llewelyns owned, by the sound of it, at least two, large houses.  Geographically they are virtually as far apart E-W as you can get.  It sounds like there is some material on these people in the Swansea records - perhaps someone could look up for you?  You should at least be able to find out his wifes name

Did the other children go with Ivy, or elsewhere.

ec

[ward3736]

ec - Interestingly enough, my mother (Ivy) was taken in by her god parents (Llewelyns) and the others - according to my mother - , were sent to an orphanage.

When the others became 16 years old they were apparently released from the orphanage to fend for themselves. Joseph Herbert Johnson immigrated to Toronto Canada and later sent for my mother when she became sixteen. I have the Canadian and US history down pat (Joe immigrated to Los Angeles and worked for Warner Brothers Movie Co. as a cook etc.) My mother married my dad (he was a professional musician who played in Toronto and New York City, joined the army during 1st world war 1916-1919 etc. etc. ) So the story goes.

We are definitely an interesting bunch. If I can I will write a small biography about our lives and history if I can make some sense out of the research.

Thanks,
Roy