Thanks again, more to think about, he was born in 1902 and when starting this service was only 16 yrs and 8 months old, surely he could not have been in the merchant navy as young as that, I have just applied to Glasgow to obtain his Army service record that is another mystery , pictures in Army uniform (RASC ?) in England and India , but here again I have no documents or proof , just a few family stories. Thanks again.