Two Jane Payne's , convicts , Australia. Which one is mine ?

[Wilfiedog]

I am looking for my greatgreat grandmother Jane Payne who married my gggrandfather John Young in 1846 in Maitland area, New South Wales.
Another Jane Payne married Thomas Oakley the same year in NSW.
There are two convict Jane Payne’s. One arrived 1835 on th “Mary” after receiving 7 year sentence for Larceny at the Old Bailey and the other arrived 1841 on “Garland Grove” after receiving 10 year sentence at Somerset Quarter Sessions. I am trying to find which one is my Jane!
This is my last brick wall and I keep coming back to it. She wants me to find her!

[matthewj64]

Jane Payne, Garland Grove, was sent to Tasmania and granted a conditional pardon in 1847

M

[rosball]

According to the Free Settler or Felon website  https://www.jenwilletts.com/index.htm

Jane PAYNE of the Mary was in Maitland area

#   Surname   First Name   Ship             Date                      Place         Source
                        
127055   Payne   Jane          Mary 1835   1840 29 January   Maitland   GG
Granted Ticket of Leave

129177   Payne   Jane          Mary 1835   1837                     Maitland   GRC
 Age 23. Assigned to Pieter Laurenz Campbell

163767   Payne   Jane          Mary 1835   12 April 1842      Singleton   Application to Marry
 Thomas Lanigan aged 34, arrived per 'Portland', application to marry Jane Payne aged 32 arrived per 'Mary'. Disallowed


Ros

[rosball]

On the Claim a Convict site, one researcher has claimed Jane Payne of the Mary.   I believe you can (for free) subscribe to the site and contact the other researcher.

http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/claimaconvict/convictDetails.php?convictId=10702

Ros

[Jamjar]

Jane shown as servant to Pieter Laurentz (Lieutenant) Campbell:


https://jenwilletts.com/searchaction.php?page=2&surname=campbell&ship=&firstname=lau


Another Jane Payne married Thomas Oakley the same year in NSW.

The two listings for this marriage show Roman Catholic Sydney and Yass

The marriage to John shows C of E Maitland or surrounds.


Jamjar

[sparrett]

  the other arrived 1841 on “Garland Grove” after receiving 10 year sentence at Somerset Quarter Sessions. I am trying to find which one is my Jane!
 

As mentioned by Matthew above, the 'Garland Grove' convict was recommended for Conditional Pardon in 1846 in Tasmania and this was approved in January 1847.
She would not therefore have been able to marry in NSW as early as 1846.

Sue

[sparrett]

Just wondering Wilfiedog, why you believe your Jane PAYNE who married John YOUNG was a convict at all.
Is there something on a document you have which suggests it?
You have not mentioned this.

Do you have Jane YOUNG's death certificate?

Sue
 

[majm]

  great question, Sue.

The NSW archives holds convict indents which show Jane per 1835 Mary was a married woman with 1 child. Likely these are digitised and available via commercial subscription sites.

October 1834 - vessel 'David Scott' a 19 year old lass named Jane Payne came free to NSW.   

JM