Duncan Rose.

[Millmoor]

Re Duncan - his parents were Donald Ros(e) and Jessie Cumming, both deceased. Jessie is a pet name for Janet. Therefore the 1851 census found by Monica is looking very likely to be correct as is the baptism in my earlier post.

There is no evidence that Donald and Jessie (Janet) ever married - writing a maiden name on a marriage cert. can help to "hide" illegitimacy. It might be worth obtaining Duncan's death cert. to see what information that has.

I have looked for further information about Jessie/ Janet Cumming and and can see nothing beyond the 1851 census.

This may be her in the 1841 census in Tomintoul but because relationships are not given in 1841 cannot be sure.

West side of village

Widow Cumming 70 ind
Donald Cumming 35
Jannet Cumming 25

Two further references from the Kirkmichael Kirk Session Records state

1841 Janet Cumming " In Tomintoul with child by Donald Ron, Ruthven". I am now even more convinced that Ron is an incorrect  transcription of Ross.

1844  A Janet Cumming is on te poor list.

William

[*Sandra*]

The original image with full details on their parents' names is available to view on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Duncan gave his place of birth as Tomintoul in Banff. This is in the parish of Kirkmichael. There is this 1851 census entry that might fit for him:

Janet Cumming 34 general servant unmarried b. Tomintoul Kirkmichael, Banffshire
Betsy Ross 8 daughter b Kirkmichael, Banffshire
Duncan Ross 6 son b. Kirkmichael, Banffshire

Address: Main Street  Krkmichael Tomintoul-Banffshire

Rose and Ross can be interchangeable.

Monica

Looks like Monica found the mother of Donald Ross earlier 

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Oops sorry - see these were posted earlier in the thread - just catching up on it all.

Betsey Ross - born 10 October 1841 baptised  5 December 1841 - Kirkmichael. Banff Scotland.   Parents Janet Cummings and Donald Ross.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XB38-NXX

Duncan Ross - born 5 January 1844 baptised 17 October 1844 -
parents Donald Ross and Janet Cummings.


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lg5/

Sandra

[Millmoor]

I suspect, Sandra, that Betsey is the child referred to in the Kirk Session Records. As with her mother I cannot see anything for her beyond  1851.

Mind you I do not have a certain sighting of Duncan after 1851 in the census until 1881!

William

[nenepops]

Fantastic, so much appreciated for all your help.🙏🏻

[MonicaL]

I thought this might be Donald in 1861:

Donald Ross, 15, cattle man, servant b Kirkmichael Banff

Working in the McGrigor (farmer) household at Torranbuie, Strathdon, Aberdeenshire

Monica

[Forfarian]

So Janet could possibly be their mum? Strange in those days being not married..

Not really. IIRC, according to T C Smout's A Century of the Scottish People the authorities were horrified to discover, after the first year of statutory civil registration in 1855, that 19% (nearly one in five) births in Banffshire were illegitimate. The illegitimacy rate varied dramatically between counties. IIRC it was only 2% in Ross and Cromarty.

[Spartan67]

Sorry to come to the thread a bit late.  I have been researching the Rose aka Ross (used interchangeably) family in Tomintoul.  I think there is a link starting (going back in years) with John McDonald (aka Ross/Rose) b.1890 born illegitimate to Barbara Rose b.1872 born illegitimate to Elspet (aka Elsie) b.1843.  I believe Elsie’s mother was Elizabeth Cumming b.1800 & her father John Rose/Ross b.1807.  That's as far as I've got in my searches so far.

I also have seen that there is a place ? farm called Ruthven about a mile to the north of Tomintoul - could that be the Rathven/Ruthven mentioned previously in this thread?

Cheers

[Spartan67]

Attached map of 1875 showing Ruthven