Thank you, I will have another look at this.
When I took the 1817 baptism record for discussion to my Irish Research Group, we saw that "Jerh" name as "Jas" and the opinion was it was James. So if it is James you have opened a brickwall for me. The question I will have then is (and yes I know I have to answer it), who is James in Macroom and the others around Macroom, how or do they fit?
Many thanks again.
John