Robert Jones, Llanelidan, mid 1800s

[Gordon Hughes]

Hi,

I'm trying to trace back from my g-g-grandfather Robert Jones, who was born around 1929 in Llanelidan, and who married a Margaret (Jones ?) around 1855. Margaret came from Llandderfel.

The problem I have is that Llanelidan is missing from the 1861 and 1841 censuses. I know that in 1871 Robert and Margaret were living at Bryn Melyn, but in the 1851 census I can find no record of either Robert or Margaret, or their residence from 1871 which was Bryn Melyn.

On top of that, the Parish Records have no been transcribed for that period, so I would probably have to make a visit to Aberystwyth to investigate further. I could buy a copy of the Parish Records that have been transcribed, but they only go up to 1811.

Before I think about a trip to Aberystwyth, does anyone have any guidance, or maybe access to some of the Parish Records that might help me ?

Many thanks, Gordon.

[Gadget]

Hi Gordon

I've got some Llanelidan records (as you say, up to 1811-12). Have you found the ref to their marriage as that should give you Robert's fathers name.

Gadget

[Gadget]

Nearest I can find on the North Wales BMD is Corwen, civil marriage
Robert Jones and probably Margaret Jones, 1855
Local ref is CRWN/02/33

Gadget

[Gadget]

There is a Llanelidan baptism online  for a Robert Jones~
24 Feb 1827  Parents Edward and Catherine of Ty Isa.

What were the children called?

Gadget

[Gadget]

Also 7 Jan 1830 Parents Jeffrey and Margaret of Llechwedd y Bryn

So it might be either of these or neither. I have the Blackwell non-c index on my other machine but you could check Freereg for any non-conformist baptisms.

Gadget

Added - none on Freereg for Llanelidan or Corwen  but if non-c they could have used nearby churches/chapels

[despair]

If you do not have the later censuses,Robert and Margaret are at Bryn Melyn up to and including the 1901 census

1881 RG11/5523/26/7
1891 RG12/4422/21/6
1901 RG13/5229/23/6

Regards
Roger

[Gadget]

GRO ref to the marriage I referred to above:

Q2 1855, Corwen. 11b, 705

If you order it, specify that you only want to purchase it if the bride is a Margaret Jones


Gadget

Added  -

Nearest I can find on the North Wales BMD is Corwen, civil marriage
Robert Jones and probably Margaret Jones, 1855
Local ref is CRWN/02/33

Gadget

This record code is the local record code and the original 'local' copy is kept at Wrexham Records Office, See  North Wales BMD site.

[Gadget]

Only other marriage showing around that time/area is in Bala,  Q1 1856, 11b 579
Robert Jones and Margaret Jones

This is probably the marriage in Llanycil parish (Bala) ~

26 January 1856
Robert Jones , 20, bach, labourer, Llangwm, David Jones, labourer
Margaret Jones, 19, sp,  -, Bala, John Davies, Tailor
Witnessses - John Hughes, Ann Jones

From what you've said re ages, etc. this looks unlikely so the 1855 one, previously referenced, is the most likely.

Gadget

[Gordon Hughes]

Gadget, Roger,

Thanks for all the replies. I've now done some more research and here's what I've discovered.

Robert Jones was actually born in 1854. I found the baptism records for him and his siblings on Freereg as follows:
Robert Jones, 11/3/1854, St Elidan
Jane Jones, 30/12/1855, ditto
Elias Jones, 1/1/1858, ditto
Margaret Jones, 13/10/1855. ditto
John Jones, 1/1/1862, ditto

Cross-referencing these against the GRO then it would appear that Robert Jones snr. married a Margaret ROBERTS, not Jones. The Reg. District for the above births is Ruthin not Corwen, since Llanelidan is in Denbigh, but as yet I've not found any marriage record for Robert and Margaret. Since Margaret was born in Llandderfel then they may have married in either location. It's a shame the early census records for Llanelidan are missing because that might give a clue as to their residence in those years. Maybe the full baptism records indicate residence but that's not in the transcripts on Freereg.

I shall continue my research !

Again, many thanks, Gordon