THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN

[jonwarrn]

Hi
It's possible, I did wonder. But nothing really has shown up.
But it's been hard to connect these Reads to anybody, except each other!
John

[cuffie81]

John Read son of Thomas Read & Elizabeth

I agree, that 1841 census record Jon found for John and daughter Cla? looks good. I've had a look to see if it lines up with the baptisms; it does but unfortunately the baptism records merely record the address as MEOT (ie Mile End Old Town) rather than the street.

Baptisms - St Dunstan, Stepney:
09 Apr 1841 Clara Eliza Read; John & Eliza Jane; MEOT; draper
08 Dec 1844 Eliza Jane Read; John & Eliza Jane; MEOT; draper
20 Dec 1846 Thomas Read; John & Eliza Jane; MEOT; draper

Baptisms - St Mary, Haggerston:
25 Mar 1849 Mary Ann Read; John & Eliza Jane; 5 Gloucester St North; linen draper
18 May 1851 Charlotte Ann Read; John & Eliza Jane; Haggerston; draper?
03 Mar 1852 Charles John Read; John & Eliza Jane; Haggerston; draper?; born 21 Sep 1842
18 Dec 1853 John Alfred Read; John & Eliza Jane; Gloucester St North; draper

I couldn't see a baptism for daughter Emily (born c1856 Stepney).

[cuffie81]

Thomas Read son of Thomas Read & Elizabeth

That 1841 census record Jon found for Elizabeth, Thomas (a draper) and Emily looks interesting but there's a few things that niggle. Elizabeth and Thomas not born in county and Thomas' age of 20. Even with the rounding down of ages that age seems too young. Although 'our' Thomas was baptised in 1814 we think he was probably born earlier given the baptism of Elizabeth Ann later the same year. And Thomas' age given in later censuses gives him a birth year of 1812/1813 giving him an age of 28/29 in 1841, which we'd expect to be rounded down to 25.

If this Thomas isn't the Thomas we're looking for it does mean there's another of a very similar name, age and occupation in the same area, which would complicate matters.


Various other records that I've found for Thomas, wife Charlotte and the Glanfields...

Possible GRO death registrations:
1884 Q4 Death - Thomas Read; age 74 (born c1810); West Ham; 04a; 134
1885 Q3 Death - Charlotte Read; age 77 (born c1808); Islington; 01b; 157

Charlotte's age doesn't match census records but the details seem to match the probate record.

Thomas' probate index record named executors as Benjamin Read and George Glanfield. A notice in the London Gazette is more explicit about the relationships, if we were in any doubt.

The London Gazette
03 Feb 1885
Issue: 25438, Page: 497
Notice to creditors, names Benjamin Read as brother and George Glanfield as son-in-law.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/25438/page/497


Probate:
Charlotte Read
23 Sep 1885
The will of Charlotte Read late of Tollington Park Hornsey-road in the county of Middlesex Widow who died 29 Aug 1885 at Tollington Park was proved at the Principal Registry by Zephaniah Simpson of 22 paternoster-row in the City of London Public Accountant and Alfred Palmer of 429 Commercial-road in the said county Draper the Executors.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Read&yearOfDeath=1885&page=3#calendar

The London Gazette
4 December 1885
Issue: 25536, Page: 5901
Notice to creditors re. Charlotte Read, deceased, widow, late of Manor House, Woodford, Essex.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/25536/page/5901


It appears that Thomas Read and Zephaniah Simpson (father-in-law to Thomas' sister Elizabeth Ann) were in business together...

The London Gazette
8 December 1837
Issue: 19567, Page: 3250
Notice of dissolution of partnership between Zephaniah Simpson and Thomas Read, drapers at Sydney-place Commercial-road.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/19567/page/3250

The London Gazette
6 August 1847
Issue: 20762, Page: 2893
Notice of dissolution of partnership between Zephaniah Simpson and Thomas Read, drapers and haberdashers.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/20762/page/2893

The London Gazette
12 September 1854
Issue: 21593, Page: 2815
Notice that James Browning, a linen draper, has assigned all his personal estate and effects to Zephaniah Simpson and Thomas Read.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/21593/page/2815


Post Office Directory - London 1851
Read, Thomas - linendraper, 9, 10, 11 Sidney place, Commercial road east, & 3 Prospect place, Mile end road

Post Office Directory - London 1851
Simpson, Zephaniah & Thom. - linendrapers, 49 & 50 Farringdon st

Old Bailey Proceedings:
ELIZABETH SIDNELL, ELIZABETH CROSBY, Theft > simple larceny, 12th June 1843.
Theft of goods from Thomas Read, draper, of Sidney-place, Commerical-road.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18430612-name-1564&div=t18430612-1984


Emily Frances Read dau. of Thomas Read (jnr); wife of George Glanfield

Death announcement:
East London Observer
08 January 1927 (Saturday)
GLANFIELD - On January 2, 1927, at the Cheshnuts, Hale End, Woodford Green, Emily Frances, widow of George Glanfield, aged 88. Internment at the City of London Cemetery, on Thursday.


The London Gazette
10 April 1868
Issue: 23369, Page: 2175
Notice of dissolution of partnership in business G. Glanfield and Son, clothiers, of 247 Bethnal Green road by George Glanfeld (snr) and George Glanfeld (jnr).
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/23369/page/2175

The London Gazette
20 March 1906
Issue: 27896, Page: 2004
Notice of dissolution of partnership in business G. Glanfied and Son, of 462 and 464 Bethnal Green road by undersigned George Glanfield, George Read Glanfield, Robert Henry Glanfield and Charles John Glanfield.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27896/page/2004


There are a number of newspapers items for the Glanfields, mostly birth, marriage and death announcements. Rich pickings for anyone researching this branch.


Also, curiosity got the better of me and I've ordered the birth record for Emily Frances Read (mmn: Newmann) 1838.

[cuffie81]

Alfred Read son of Thomas Read & Elizabeth

Previously I posted a possible 1871 census record for Alfred. I did also have possible 1851 and 1861 census records but had my doubts so didn't post them. I think there's now more evidence they may be correct, and I don't think anyone's posted them...

1851 Census - Upper Marylebone Street, Marylebone
Alfred Read, apprentice linen draper. Birth place is given as Marylebone though.
Ref HO107; Piece 1486; Folio 325; Page 28;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGF5-NN7

1861 Census - 48 49 & 50, 48, Farringdon Street, Holborn
Alfred Read, assistant draper, born c1835 Shoreditch.
Ref RG09; Piece 218; Folio 6; Page 5;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-S5ZH


Old Bailey Proceedings:
ISABELLA BAKER, SARAH PEACOCK, Theft > simple larceny, 23rd November 1857.
Theft of goods from Zephaniah Simpson, Alfred Read was a witness.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def2-3-18571123&div=t18571123-3

Old Bailey Proceedings:
BENJAMIN HARRIS, Theft > simple larceny, 12th December 1864.
Case involving stolen lace, Alfred Read, buyer for Simpson & Co, was a witness.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18641212-name-155&div=t18641212-112

[jonwarrn]

Hi
That is amazing research cuffie, well done! Much to digest there.
And a wonderful gesture to order that certificate. I'm sure that we are all as curious as you to know what it says!

An extra directory for you, Robson's London 1842 (one of my favourites)
Thomas Read listed at, as you say, 9,10,11 Sidney Place, Commercial Road. Bottom of first column right hand side (pg 81)
https://archive.org/stream/robsonslondondir00robsrich#page/n97/mode/2up

John

[cuffie81]

That 1841 census record Jon found for Elizabeth, Thomas (a draper) and Emily looks interesting but there's a few things that niggle. Elizabeth and Thomas not born in county and Thomas' age of 20. Even with the rounding down of ages that age seems too young. Although 'our' Thomas was baptised in 1814 we think he was probably born earlier given the baptism of Elizabeth Ann later the same year. And Thomas' age given in later censuses gives him a birth year of 1812/1813 giving him an age of 28/29 in 1841, which we'd expect to be rounded down to 25.

I made a mistake here, Elizabeth's and Thomas' ages are 25, not 20. And with the 1841 Robson's directory record Jon has found, that census record is looking pretty good.

Looking through my notes I don't think we've found a 1841 census record for Elizabeth Ann, Thomas's sister. Could the Elizabeth on this census record possibly be her?

[keyboard86]

That 1841 census record Jon found for Elizabeth, Thomas (a draper) and Emily looks interesting but there's a few things that niggle. Elizabeth and Thomas not born in county and Thomas' age of 20. Even with the rounding down of ages that age seems too young. Although 'our' Thomas was baptised in 1814 we think he was probably born earlier given the baptism of Elizabeth Ann later the same year. And Thomas' age given in later censuses gives him a birth year of 1812/1813 giving him an age of 28/29 in 1841, which we'd expect to be rounded down to 25.

I made a mistake here, Elizabeth's and Thomas' ages are 25, not 20. And with the 1841 Robson's directory record Jon has found, that census record is looking pretty good.

Looking through my notes I don't think we've found a 1841 census record for Elizabeth Ann, Thomas's sister. Could the Elizabeth on this census record possibly be her?

Then that leaves the question as to who was the mother of Emily aged 3 if this is the elusive Emily Frances Read?
And why is Elizabeth shown above Thomas with the Sanders family?
Keyboard86

[jonwarrn]

And why is Elizabeth shown above Thomas with the Sanders family?

Indeed. And we discovered the enumerator was giving some extra relationship info, but Elizabeth didn't have wife written against her. Still doesn't explain why they were not born county.

[keyboard86]

And why is Elizabeth shown above Thomas with the Sanders family?

Indeed. And we discovered the enumerator was giving some extra relationship info, but Elizabeth didn't have wife written against her. Still doesn't explain why they were not born county.

  That was Clara Eliza not Emily!
Keyboard86