THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN

[keyboard86]

I’ve just spent 6 hours looking for Emily Frances.  Now I’m giving up.  Even without her, it seems to be clear that we have the right family here.

  Now agree, but this apparent link with Thomas and Emily Frances and her lack of knowledge to her pob still puzzles me, in 1911 she is 73 again b Woodford, Essex with George in Devon, Emily F Glanfield dies March qtr 1927 West Ham 4a 487 aged 88
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[cuffie81]

I've had a look through the Woodford baptisms and couldn't see her, under any surname.

Probate records for George and Emily, just for completeness:

Probate:
George Glanfield
Of The Chestnuts Hale End Woodford Green Essex
Died 07 Oct 1922
Probate London 25 Nov to Alfred Teller Ashbridge and Alfred Moore gentleman

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Glanfield&yearOfDeath=1922#calendar

Probate:
Emily Frances Glanfield
Of The Chestnuts Hale End Woodford Green Essex
Widow died 02 Jan 1927
Probate London 29 Jan to George Read Glanfield gentleman and Kenneth Charles Fox chartered accountant

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Glanfield&yearOfDeath=1927#calendar

[Lily M]

I thought the GRO entry, that cuffie posted earlier, looked very promising

1838 Emily Frances Read mmn Newmann   Bethnal Green

I wonder if, whoever brought her up, lived away from that area, so Emily was never sure of where she was born

[jonwarrn]

A possibility in 1841, with some details not exactly right?
In the Commercial Road, Stepney
Piece 714 book 3 folio 14 page 21
Waterloo Terrace
Elizabeth Reed 25 No (not born county)
Thomas Reed 25 Draper No
Emily Reed 3 Yes
Emma Pott, 15, F. S. No

At the same address, Eliz + Jane Sanders(?)

John Reed, 20, Draper, in 1841, with Clara, in Commercial Road. Wife Eliza not at home.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQVW-SRP

[keyboard86]

  Well done john, so it could be we possibly should be searching for Read/Reed if the above 1841 census returns are correct, especially that for Cla Eliza Reed 3 months, can anyone work out what is in the occupation column for her at 3 months old?
Census ref HO107/712/ 14/31 / 1
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[jonwarrn]

Hi
I think it says "child"
And has been crossed through later, presumably by a government clerk.
The enumerator seems to have given some relationships in the occupation column, wife, daughter, son, child. They've been struck out.
But what an excellent enumerator!
John

[keyboard86]

  And I suppose the Emily REED aged 3 with Thomas/Elizabeth is not the elusive Emily Frances or is it a coincidence in same household as a Draper in Commercial Road?
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[jonwarrn]

I'm thinking it may be something more than coincidence.
But there's no hard evidence really. We don't have a baptism, for instance.

If though Lesley one day fancies getting that Bethnal Green birth certificate, it might be the right one. Perhaps she'll let us know!
John

[keyboard86]

Agree, it would be good to get some feedback, with Elizabeth Reed appearing above Thomas in 1841 do you think that a possible relationship exists with the SANDERS ?
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