THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN

[jonwarrn]

There was mention of a John bap Spitalfields 1817.
Has cuffie done him? There were so many!
In 1861 there is a John Read, 43, Linen Draper, in Stepney
Has a daughter Clara (other witness?)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-G98C

Possibly the lady of this house was formerly West?
John

[jonwarrn]

I think it does tie up. Mainly thanks to cuffie's magnificent efforts.
But if Thomas Read junior was a bachelor when he married Charlotte, then he couldn't have been married to Emily's mother! Where though was Emily in 1851?

[cuffie81]

I'd overlooked the John born c1817 but Rosie had posted the details. His baptism matched the others in Spitalfields (ie parents, address, occupation).

As Jon says, there is one in Stepney and he matches quite nicely.

GRO BMD references:

1840 Q1 Marriage - John Read & Eliza Jane West; Bermondsey; 04; 11
1841 Q2 Birth - Clara Eliza Read (mmn: West); Stepney; 02; 440
1842 Q4 Birth - Charles John Read (mmn: West); Stepney; 02; 465
1844 Q4 Birth - Eliza Jane Read (mmn: West); Stepney; 02; 503
1846 Q4 Birth - Thomas Read (mmn: West); Stepney; 02; 528
1849 Q1 Birth - Mary Ann Read (mmn: West); Shoreditch; 02; 400
1851 Q2 Birth - Charlotte Ann Read (mmn: West); Shoreditch; 02; 385
1854 Q1 Birth - John Alfred Read (mmn: West); Shoreditch; 01c; 226
1854 Q1 Birth - John Alfred Read (mmn: West); Shoreditch; 01c; 226
1854 Q2 Birth - John Alfred Read (mmn: West); Shoreditch; 01c; 228
1856 Q1 Birth - Emily Read  (mmn: West); Stepney; 01c; 509
1871 Q1 Death - John Read; age 53 (born c1818); Mile End Old Town; 01c; 422

Marriage:

married: 15 Mar 1840; St James, Bermondsey; banns
groom: John Read; fa; bach; draper; Commercial Street, East
bride: Eliza Jane West; fa; spin; -; Cherry Garden Street
grooms father: Thomas Read; silk manufacturer
brides father: Abraham West (dec)
witnesses: John Fuller?, Jane Fuller?, Elizabeth? Read


Probate:
John Read
28 Feb 1871
Will of John Read late of 4 Sidney-place Commercial-road East in the county of Middlesex
Bootmaker who died 18 Jan 1871 at 4 Sidney-place was proved at the Principal Registry
by Eliza Jane Read of 4 Sidney-place Widow relic the sole Executrix

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Read&yearOfDeath=1871&page=5#calendar

Give a me few minutes and I'll post the census records.

[cuffie81]

John Read

John is listed as a linen draper in 1851 and 1861.

1851 Census - Saint Leonard, Shoreditch
Ref HO107; Piece 1538; Folio 266; Page 27;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGF7-5KY

1861 Census - Stepney, Mile End Old Town
Ref RG09; Piece 296; Folio 68; Page 8;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-G98C

1871 Census - Sydney Place, Mile End Old Town
Ref RG10; Piece 557; Folio 78; Page 8;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB8B-7Q5


I can't find John and Eliza in 1841.

[keyboard86]

  Now that looks good, we now have Thomas and John linked to Sidney/ Sydney Place, Commercial Road.
Keyboard86

[cuffie81]

Likely death of Eliza Jane Read, widow of Thomas (born c1818):

GRO reference:
1877 Q3 Death - Eliza Jane Read; age 60 (born c1817); Mile End Old Town; 01c; 341

Probate:
Eliza Jane Read
22 Sep 1877
The will with a codicil of Eliza Jane Read late of 443 Commercial-road in the county of Middlesex Widow who died 3 Sep 1877 at 443 Commercial-road was proved at the Principal Registry by Thomas William Lewis of Elcho Villa Saxon-rod Selhurst in the county of Surrey Mercantile Clerk and Charles John Reed of High-street Putney in the county of Surrey Bootmaker the Son the Executors

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Read&yearOfDeath=1877#calendar

[cuffie81]

Looking again at the marriage record of George Glanfield and Emily Frances Read that witness signature is looking more and more like Clara Eliza Read but maybe it's what I want to see.

As Jon says, Emily Frances Read is a bit of puzzle though.

[keyboard86]

  I have spent ages on Emily F, it is noticeable that her pob alters but yob 1838/40,  in 1881 George Glanfield is alone with his children except Ada, she is with Emily aged 13 enjoying the Brighton air at Regency Square, Brighton
Census ref RG11/1093/18/27
Keyboard86

[Lily M]

I’ve just spent 6 hours looking for Emily Frances.  Now I’m giving up.  Even without her, it seems to be clear that we have the right family here.