THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN

[jonwarrn]

James Read - possible lead

1851 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green
Ref HO107; Piece 1541; Folio 88; Page 8;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5P-CZB

1861 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green
Ref RG09; Piece 258; Folio 39; Page 16;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-DSBD

Living with William and Sarah Parker in 1851, and then the widowed Sarah in 1861
Maybe?
23 November 1821
Christ Church Spitalfields
William Parker + Sarah Read

[lahpun]

Good morning Jonw65.  That is very interesting that you have found William READ and Sarah Parker.  A friend had found a baptism for a Thomas Read with parents William and Sarah. 

Could I ask one thing, in the last line of your post it seems that the surnames have been reversed. i.e. William Parker and Sarah READ.   I am confused.  Help please.

Lesley

[lahpun]

Jonw65:  I forgot to ask what is the date 21 November 1821 related to?

Lelley

[jonwarrn]

Hi
Your Thomas Read and his wife Elizabeth had a son James.
Details of his baptism were given by keyboard

James William Read was born 18th December 1824 baptism 6th February 1825 St Matthew Bethnal Green Father Thomas occ Weaver Mother Elizabeth address Wilmott Street

And James was with them in Wilmot Street in 1841

Cuffie then was tracing forward the children of Thomas and Elizabeth Read, and found a possible candidate for the son James in Bethnal Green in 1851 and 1861, still living in Wilmot Street. He was  with William and Sarah Parker, but Mr Parker must have died by 1861.

I wondered if it were possible that James might have been related to the Parkers and that's where the marriage of William Parker and Sarah Read in 1821 may come in.
It also depends of course on whether cuffie has found the right James Read, but it looks quite possible.
John

[lahpun]

Thanks John, after saying Thomas Read’s parents were William and Sarah, I re-read your post and then wondered if Sarah Read’s first husband William died then she married secondly William Parker.

Lesley

[rosie99]

The 1821 marriage that John has mentioned between William Parker and Sarah Read states that William Parker was a bachelor & Sarah Read was a Spinster.

[jonwarrn]

The 1821 marriage that John has mentioned between William Parker and Sarah Read states that William Parker was a bachelor & Sarah Read was a Spinster.

What is also interesting is that there may be the same situation here as with Read - Howard (flagged up, again by Rosie)

The Thomas Read/Elizabeth Howard marriage was at St Mary, Whitechapel 24 Apr 1814 but the children were baptised at Spitalfields.  Was Thomas born before the marriage and that is why the baptism is so close to Elisabeth's.  When this couple married they were both of the parish.
Banns for a couple of the same names were read April/May 1810 at St Botolph, Aldgate the last being called on 13 May 1810 but no marriage date entered against them.  Transcripts show a marriage on the 13 May 1810 but they are known to be unreliable and may have been the banns not the marriage.  Are they the same couple

Because, we have banns called at Spitalfields for William Parker and Sarah Read, 7th, 14th, 21st, September 1817
But no marriage of a couple with those names until 1821.
There were banns called again for them at Spitalfields in October/November 1821. This time there is a cross in the margin of the banns register, which I think might be the way they noted that a marriage had taken place.

Two baptisms to William and Sarah Parker at Spitalfields in between those two banns records! Are they the same couple?
Sarah Ann Parker, 12 Nov 1819, abode Chapel Street, father a Weaver
Catharine Parker, 27 May 1821, abode Hope Street, father a Weaver

John

[lahpun]

  To all the researchers helping me find the maiden name of the elusive Elizabeth Read I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas.  Please make sure that you are safe on New Years Eve too.

Now Cuffie I have gone through all your information of births and marriages with most being after the date of my Charles Read in 1829 with christening in 1830.  This then has led me back to the Thomas and Elizabeth who had 4 children in the Wilks(es) street area.

Then: another 5 children in Wilmot Street Bethnal Green.

We know for sure and certain that Thomas READ (father of the children in Bethnal Green was a weaver.  I cannot remember for sure but I think in some of the Census' Elizabeth the wife and Jane the daughter said their occupation was that of weaver! 

Putting aside the 4 children from Wilks Street, the first of the Bethnal Green children would be James William READ in 1825.  BUT there is no marriage in that time frame.   Were they married?? Would they have had 5 children without being married?  The other 4 children from Wilks Street seem to fit into a possible marriage.  BUT then how many Thomas READ's would be weavers??

One of you told me that Death records do not show the names of the parents.  How about Birth records?  I have Charles' baptism record and all it says is son of Thomas and Elizabeth.  I guess because it all happened prior to 1837 we will never know.

Getting back to the Legassick family.....I am waiting on a lady from Somerset who has researched the Legassick family, she comes from the Simpson family and when time permits she will send me her research on the Thomas Read who married Elizabeth Wilks Legassick.    I found that a Henry Legassick married an Elizabeth Wilks.  I have copied a couple of sentences from the Legassick story for you all to look at and consider.

"A certain Elizabeth Wilks Legassick is shown as a possible daughter of the William who married in 1801.  She appears to have witnessed (using her married name) the marriage of William Legassick (Jnr.) at St. Martin in the Fields in 1822, the year following her own marriage to Thomas Read at the same church.  Interestingly at St. Giles Church, Oxford, in 1800 a Henry Legassicke of unknown origins had married a lady named Elizabeth Wilkes.  Surely there is a connection here.  If this Henry was the man born in Sherford in 1767 as mentioned above, then was William of Soho (m.1801) his younger brother, born in Dodbrooke in 1772?  Or, was the lady who married Thomas Read in 1821 the widow of Henry?  These hypotheses are essentially no more than wild guesses."

As soon as I have the lady from Somerset's research I will post here for consideration.

Thanks again for your help

Lesley

[rosie99]

Putting aside the 4 children from Wilks Street, the first of the Bethnal Green children would be James William READ in 1825.  BUT there is no marriage in that time frame.   Were they married?? Would they have had 5 children without being married?  The other 4 children from Wilks Street seem to fit into a possible marriage.  BUT then how many Thomas READ's would be weavers??

Don't forget that the 1841 census had George Read - 20 with Thomas, Elizabeth & family.  Age 20 in this census means age 20-24. He would tie in with the Wilks/es street baptism

One of you told me that Death records do not show the names of the parents.  How about Birth records?  I have Charles' baptism record and all it says is son of Thomas and Elizabeth.  I guess because it all happened prior to 1837 we will never know.

Birth records after 1837 have date & place of birth (though place often shows 'parish' and not street)  Childs first names -Fathers full name- Mothers full name & maiden name-fathers occupation-name and address of informant