THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN

[cuffie81]

In the meantime, to get you started, a list of baptisms for parents named Thomas and Elizabeth.

Christ Church, Spitalfields
30 May 1814; Thomas Read; Thomas & Elisabeth; Wilkes St; weaver
02 Oct 1814; Elizabeth Ann Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Wilks St; weaver
27 Feb 1820; George Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Wilk's Street; weaver
12 Feb 1836; Elizabeth Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Artillery Street; labourer

St Matthew, Bethnal Green
02 Jun 1822; Ann Read; Thomas& Elizabeth; Wilmot St; weaver; born 31 Mar 1822
06 Feb 1825; James William; Thomas& Elizabeth; Wilmot St; weaver; born 18 Dec 1824
11 Nov 1827; Jane Read; Thomas& Elizabeth; Wilmot St; weaver; born 03 Sep 1827
17 Jan 1830; Charles Read; Thomas& Elizabeth; Wilmot St; weaver; born 23 Dec 1829
14 Jun 1835; Alfred Read; Thomas& Elizabeth; Wilmot St; weaver; born 22 May 1835
14 Jun 1835; Benjamin Read; Thomas& Elizabeth; Wilmot St; weaver; born 22 Jan 1833

St Leonard, Shoreditch
21 Nov 1813; Sarah Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Duke Street; turner
14 Apr 1816; Thomas Edward Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Duke Street; turner?
03 Mar 1818; Harriet Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Long Alley; turner
07 Jul 1822; Caroline Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Union? Crescent; turner
16 Nov 1823; Elizabeth Read; Thomas Henry & Elizabeth; Union Crescent; ivory turner
25 Oct 1830; Ann Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Whitmore Road; dissenting minister; born 01 Jan 1827
25 Oct 1830; John Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Whitmore Road; dissenting minister; born 05 Oct 1828
25 Oct 1830; Martha Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Whitmore Road; dissenting minister; born 17 Sep 1830
05 Aug 1833; Nicholas Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Holywell Lane; clock maker; born 08 Mar 1832
18 May 1834; William Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Swan Yard; clock maker

Holy Trinities, Minories, Tower Hamlets
21 Oct 1838; Thomas Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 49 Church Street; porter; born 27 Sep 1838
21 Feb 1841; Ellen Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 49 Church Street; porter; born 22 Jan 1841

St John, Hackney
08 Nov 1818; Henry Benjamin Read; Thomas Charles & Elizabeth; ?; appraiser
30 Aug 1829; Thomas William Read; Thomas Charles & Elizabeth; Duncan Place; commercial clerk

St Botoph, Aldgate
29 Oct 1843; Ann Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 5 Little Somerset Street; porter; born 06 Aug 1836?
29 Oct 1843; John Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 5 Little Somerset Street; porter; born 21 Jun 1841
26 Oct 1845; James Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 6 Chequer Place; porter; born 04 Oct 1845
02 Apr 1848; Mary Ann Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; America Mews Minories; porter; born 03 Mar 1848
01 Feb 1852; William Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; America Mews Minories; porter; born 08 Jan 1852

St Botolph with Bishopgate
09 Sep 1838; Thomas Peter Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; ? Place; clock maker; born 03 Aug? 1838
09 May 1841; Caroline Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Newmans? Place; clock maker; born 31 Mar? 1841
04 Jun 1845; John Myatt Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Newmans? Place; clock maker; born 09 May 1843

St Marylebone, Westminster
16 Jan 1825; Emma Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; Portland Town; trade; born 25 Jul 1824

St Thomas, Charterhouse, Islington
29 Mar 1850; Eliza Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 4 Thomas Court; clock maker
26 Feb 1854; Elizabeth Ann Read; Thomas & Elizabeth Ann; 5 Portland? Place; florist?;

St Andrew, Holborn
12 Dec 1813; Thomas Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Cross St; china man

St John, Hoxton
27 Feb 1850; Augusta Amelia Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Bachus Walk; plumber & glazier; born 15 Apr 1848

All Saints, Battle Bridge, Islington
01 Apr 1855; William John Reid; Thomas & Elizabeth; Rodney Street; plumber

St Margaret, Westminster
26 Jul 1816; Thomas Wotton Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Cannon Row; lath render; born 26 Jul 1816
17 May 1818; Ann Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Cannon Row; lath render; born 07 Feb 1818
29 Jun 1823; Eliza Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; Cannon Row; lath render; born 18 Apr 1823

St Martin in the Fields, Westminster
12 May 1817; Thomas Reed; Thomas & Elizabeth; 22 Pouton? Street; glass man

St Marylebone, Westminster
27 Oct 1818; Alfred Reid; Thomas & Elizabeth; -; wade; born 13 Jun 1818

St Mary le Strand, Westminster
15 Jan 1820; Sarah Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; St Mary le Strand Poor House; tailor; born 12 Dec 1829

St Clement Danes, Westminster
02 Aug 1824; Thomas Henry Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 53 Stanhope Street; tailor
08 Apr 1828; Caroline Rebecca Read; Thomas & Elizabeth; 6 Clement Lane; tailor

[cuffie81]

I think we can match some of those baptisms to parents, albeit later ones.

Marriage:
married: 29 Apr 1832; St Mary, Islington; banns
groom: Thomas Read;    bach; otp
bride: Elizabeth Burchell; spin; otp
witnesses: James Hayes, Maria Trott?

GRO birth registrations:
1838 Q3 Elizabeth Jane Read (mmn: Burchell); Marylebone; 01; 148
1841 Q1 Caroline Lucy Read (mmn: Burchell); Marylebone; 01; 176
1849 Q1 Susanna Read (mmn: Burchell); Marylebone; 01; 251
1851 Q2 Thomas Read (mmn: Burckell); Marylebone; 01; 258


Marriage:
married: 17 Mar 1834; St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney; banns
groom: Thomas Read (x); bach; otp
bride: Elizabeth Alderton (x); spin; otp
witnesses: James Alderton, Ann Alderton (x)

GRO birth registrations:
1838 Q4 Thomas Read (mmn: Alderton); Whitechapel; 02; 447
1841 Q1 Ellen Read (mmn: Alderton); Whitechapel; 02; 521
1843 Q3 John Read (mmn: Alderton); East London; 02; 184
1845 Q4 James Read (mmn: Alderton); East London; 02; 214
1848 Q2 Mary Ann Read (mmn: Alderton); East London; 02; 211
1852 Q1 William Read (mmn: Alderton); East London; 01c; 12


Marriage:
married: 04 Jul 1842; St Mary, Lambeth; banns
grrom: Thoams Reed; fa; bach; plumber; Pitt Street
bride: Elizabeth Ann Cottell; fa; spin; -; Pitt Street
grooms father: James Reed;  smith
brides father: George Cottell; tailor
witnesses: Albert? Pentlon?, Amelia Pentlon?

GRO birth registrations:
1845 Q1 Thomas James Reed (mmn: Cottell); Camberwell; 04; 66
1848 Q2 Augusta Amelia Reed (mmn: Cottell); Lambeth; 04; 258
1855 Q2 William John Alma Reed (mmn: Cottell); Islington; 01b; 156
1858 Q2 Frederick William Reed (mmn: Cottell); Islington; 01b; 193

[cuffie81]

Coming back to the Reads, there are a few possible leads for sons James and Alfred...

James Read - possible lead

1851 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green
Ref HO107; Piece 1541; Folio 88; Page 8;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5P-CZB

1861 Wilmot Street, Bethnal Green
Ref RG09; Piece 258; Folio 39; Page 16;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-DSBD


Alfred Read - possible lead

1871 New Bridge Street, Bridewell Precinct, City of London
Ref RG10; Piece 425; Folio 39; Page 2;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDY-DSK

[cuffie81]

Shelbournes, not in Bethnal Green but in nearby Stepney. Father John was a lighterman. There are various other records for the family (eg baptisms) but I'll leave you to look them up.

Possible GRO death registration:
1858 Q3 Death - John Shelbourne; age 59 (born c1799); Poplar; 01c; 409
1884 Q2 Death - Jane Addis Shelbourne; age 82 (born c1802); Poplar; 01c; 426

1851 Lower Rich Street, Saint Anne Limehouse, Stepney
Ref HO107; Piece 1554; Folio 611; Page 43;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5B-84N

1861 High Street, Poplar
Ref RG09; Piece 309; Folio 133; Page 6;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-R6G3

1871 Alms House, Upper North Street, Poplar
Ref RG10; Piece 581; Folio 17; Page 28;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6H-BZ2

1881 Alms House, Upper North Street, Poplar
Ref RG11; Piece 505; Folio 162; Page 33;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK6T-1ZFG

[cuffie81]

Coming back to Elizabeth Wilks Legassick has anyone found the baptism for her? The best match I could find was the folowing baptisms and possible marriage for these parents.

Baptisms - Yealmpton, Devon:
18 Jan 1803 Betsey Wilks Legassicke; Henry & Elizabeth
06 Jan 1806 Henry Legassicke; Henry & Elizabeth; born 23 Nov 1805
13 Oct 1807 George Legassick; Henry & Elizabeth

Marriage:
married: 20 Dec 1800; St Giles, Oxford; banns
groom: Henry Legassicke; bach; lodger
bride: Elizabeth Wilkes; spin; lodger
witnesses: Elizabeth White, Charles Crapper E.P.


Obviously these records are a bit spread about and not in London/Middlesex but it was the best I could find. There a number of Legassick's in London/Middlesex from Devon though, so may be it isn't too far fetched. It would mean the Elizabeth Wilks Legassick is too young to be the mother of the Read children in Spitalfields which (in my opinion) would also rule her out as being the mother of the Read children in Bethnal Green.


On a related note, this marriage is interesting but I haven't had much joy tracing William and Mary Ann.

Marriage:
married: 22 Jun 1830; St Martin In The Fields; banns
groom: William Legassick; otp
bride: Mary Ann MacBeth; otp
witnesses: William Macbeth, Elizabeth Read

[rosie99]

I am getting confused now - I thought we had discounted Elizabeth Wilks Legassick 

[cuffie81]

I am getting confused now - I thought we had discounted Elizabeth Wilks Legassick 

I didn't mean to cause any confusion. I agree that it's unlikely she's the mother of Charles and the other children but as Lesley seemed quite keen that she was the mother I wanted to try and get some evidence to positively rule her out. Without knowing anything more than her date of marriage I felt the evidence was a bit lacking.

[lahpun]

Oh my goodness Cuffie81, thank you so much for all that work you have looked up.   I am sorry that I keep on about Elizabeth Wilkes Legassick,  I know this is silly, but the name fascinated me.  I liked her as I had found her married to a Thomas Read in the research by Richard Grylls on the Legassick family tree.  If you are so inclined google "Richard Grylls Legassick" and his site comes up and if you scroll down to London 1 Thomas and Elizabeth appear.  She being the daughter of William Legassick and Ann Snow.

I am now leaning toward Elizabeth Howard......BUT that said, I think someone stated not this lady.

Anyway, this list of names etc. will keep me busy over Christmas.  Again Cuffie81 thanks for all the hard work, especially typing it all up.

Best wishes to you all
Lesley

[rosie99]

I am now leaning toward Elizabeth Howard......BUT that said, I think someone stated not this lady.

I only queried that one as the marriage took place 24 Apr 1814 St Mary, Whitechapel
2 Read baptisms (father Thomas a Weaver) took place in 1814 the first in 30 May the next  2 October so the child bapt May would have been born before the marriage (reply 29)