THOMAS READ AND WIFE ELIZABETH ? BETHNAL GREEN

[rosie99]

Don't forget also Elizabeth who was also baptised in 1814 living Wilks/es Street -father Thomas a Weaver.
She married Thomas Simpson and in 1861 after her death in the household of her husband Thomas Simpson are Thomas Read (father in law) age 72 retired weaver and sister in law Ann Read.

I cannot see anything that would lead me to the Legassick marriage

[keyboard86]

Hi again, following on from the above  1861 post, Ann was born c 1822 so as both Thomas & Elizabeth die in Edmonton area it is possible Ann also died there in March qtr 1867 3a 125 aged 45.

Do not get too concerned with Thomas/Elizabeth moving from Wilkes Street to Wilmott Street it happened all the time, as the family grew they moved to larger premises, and Thomas & Elizabeth got out of the hustle & bustle of Shoreditch/Bethnal Green, and retired to the Edmonton area which knowing this area very well would have been very rural and quiet in comparison!
Keyboard86

Possibly buried at All Saints Church.

[jonwarrn]

it is possible Ann also died there in March qtr 1867 3a 125 aged 45.

Administration for her
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=read&yearOfDeath=1867&page=5#calendar

[keyboard86]

OK Now trying to locate the Jane born 3rd September 1827 baptism 11th November 1827 St Matthew, Bethnal Green Father Thomas occ Weaver Mother Elizabeth address Wilmot Street, last seen with Thomas/Elizabeth in Wilmott Street 1851 census HO107/1541/87/7
Keyboard86

Also just wondering why James b 1824 was the only apparent male child who had a middle name eg James William?

[cuffie81]

Looking again at Elizabeth Read who married Thomas Simpson, Thomas appears to have died in 1867 and there's a probate record for him which is interesting as he names the executors as Thomas Read, a draper of 9 Sidney Place, Commercial Road and James Darvill, a draper of Farnham, Surrey.

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Simpson&yearOfDeath=1867&page=14#calendar

Looking through the electoral registers there is a Thomas Read registered at Sidney Street, Mlle End Old Town from the mid 1830s to mid 1860s. However, I can't see any Reads at the addresses on censuses so may be Thomas owned the property but didn't live there.

If the Thomas Read named in the will is Thomas Simpson's father-in-law the will may contain some more detail that positively connects everything, such as the address in Edmonton.


Side note: Zephaniah Simpson, son of Thomas and Elizabeth, appears to have married the daughter of James Darvill, Charlotte Amelia Darvill. And Adeline Simpson, dau. of Thomas and Elizabeth, is with James Darvill on the 1861 census in Farnham.

GRO references:
1867 Q2 Death - Thomas Simpson; age 55 (born c1812); Hackney; 01b; 220
1868 Q2 Marriage - Zephaniah Simpson & Charlotte Amelia Darvill; Farnham; 2a; 111

[cuffie81]

Looking again at George Read who married Harriet Eleanor Hulbert it looks as if George died in 1877 and Harriet died in 1892.

Marriage of daughter Elizabeth Ann:

married: 03 Oct 1880; St Thomas, Stepney
groom: Frederick Woodford Fabian; 37; wid; grocer's assistant; 59 Jamaica St
bride: Elizabeth Ann Read; 21; spin; -; 19 Smith St
grooms father: Alexander Fabian; gardener
brides father: George Read; lighterman
witnesses: William Robert Barber, Harriet Barber

1881 census - High Street, West Ham
Harriet Read, widow, living with married daughter.
Ref RG11; Piece 1705; Folio 88; Page 50;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27C-RDX1


GRO references:
1877 Q2 Death - George Read; age 58 (born c1819); Bethnal Green; 01c; 148
1892 Q2 Death - Harriet Eleanor Read; age 70 (born c1822); Croydon; 02a; 144

1880 Q4 Marriage - Frederick Woodford Fabian & Elizabeth Ann Read Mile End; 01c; 1068
1881 Q1 Birth - Charles Frederick Fabion (mmn: Read); Bethnal Green; 01c; 238
1882 Q3 Birth - Helena Elizabeth Fabian (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 28
1885 Q1 Birth - George Alexander Fabian (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 2
1887 Q1 Birth - Walter Herbert Fabian (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 11
1890 Q1 Birth - Edith Mary Fabian (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 25
1893 Q1 Birth - Florence Annie Fabian (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 32
1897 Q2 Birth - Kate Louisa Fabian (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 24
1901 Q4 Birth - Elsie Lavinia Fabian (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 242

[Lily M]

I believe Thomas, the son born 1813/14, became a linen draper.  He lived in Woodford, but maybe his business premises were off Commercial Road.

[cuffie81]

I'd had a similar thought Lily but I wasn't sure that that Thomas Read was related; there's so many Thomas Reads around that they're hard to pin down.

Just so we're talking about the same one, this is the one I'd looked at. Has wife named Charlotte, born Kent (age and birth place differ across censuses though). On the 1851 census Thomas' birthplace is Bethnal Green but in1861 and 1871 it's Hackney.

1851 census - West Ham
Ref HO107; Piece 1768; Folio 469; Page 36;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGBX-43W

1861 census - West Ham
Ref RG09; Piece 1062; Folio 97; Page 30;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M711-8W2

1871 census - West Ham
Ref RG10; Piece 1637; Folio 180; Page 35;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFFK-5DZ

1881 census - West Ham
Ref RG11; Piece 1733; Folio 102; Page 49;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-Q3KD


I couldn't find a marriage for Thomas and Charlotte but on the 1881 census is grand daughter  Emily Glanfield, born c1860 Middlesex. Trying to track Emily backwards led me up this path but I couldn't fully connect the dots so I could be wrong...

George Glanfield & Emily Frances Read

1861 Hackney
Ref RG09; Piece 163; Folio 31; Page 7;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-24B9

1871 Hackney
Ref RG10; Piece 330; Folio 55; Page 40;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNR-CZR

1881 Walthamstow, West Ham
Ref RG11; Piece 1732; Folio 76; Page 42;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-35XC

1891  Walthamstow, West Ham
Ref RG12; Piece 1355; Folio 111; Page 30;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG3Z-RPZ

1901  Walthamstow, West Ham
Ref RG13; Piece 1629; Folio 144; Page 20;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9NN-J5Q


GRO references:
1838 Q4 Birth - Emily Frances Read (mmn: Newmann); Bethnal Green; 02; 36

1858 Q3 Marriage - George Glanfield & Emily Frances Read; West Ham; 04a; 44
1859 Q3 Birth - Emily Grace Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 358
1861 Q1 Birth - George Read Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 393
1864 Q3 Birth - Annie Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 422
1866 Q1 Birth - Charlotte Emma Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 470
1868 Q1 Birth - Ada Helena Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 504
1869 Q3 Birth - Lydia Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 481
1870 Q3 Birth - Charles John Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 463
1871 Q4 Birth - Herbert Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 485
1873 Q1 Birth - Henry Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 550
1874 Q2 Birth - Stanley Glanfield (mmn: Read); Hackney; 01b; 522
1876 Q4 Birth - Lily Glanfield (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 133
1877 Q3 Birth - Rose Glanfield (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 132
1879 Q3 Birth - May Glanfield (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 170
1882 Q2 Birth - Leopold Glanfield (mmn: Read); West Ham; 04a; 206

[jonwarrn]

Probate for Thomas Read Esquire in 1885
formerly of Sidney place Commercial road Middlesex
late of Woodford Essex
died 29 Nov 1884 at Manor House Woodford
One of the executors was his brother Benjamin Read
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=read&yearOfDeath=1885&page=5#calendar

Death registration
Dec 1884 West Ham
Read, Thomas   
age 74