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Re: Help researching eveline shulman
« Reply #144 on: Friday 29 April 22 17:23 BST (UK) »
. Can’t find the family in 1911.

Over the multiple threads on this lass, 1911 had previously been found. Probably more than once!

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« Reply #145 on: Friday 29 April 22 17:24 BST (UK) »
I was talking about the O’Pray family in 1911. I know we have found the Shulman family. Interestingly John Hendry O’Pray didn’t die till 1933!
ADD I have found John Henry on his own in Gorbals in 1911. It looks as if there were four children who all died as infants.
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« Reply #146 on: Friday 29 April 22 17:53 BST (UK) »
Interesting - I did find the 4 deaths for children - it looks like they separated for different lives!  Sad!

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« Reply #147 on: Monday 23 May 22 06:18 BST (UK) »
Hello again.
I've just seen a reply on here about found four children who passed away I think they were Annie's children from her previous marriage. Before she married David Joseph Shulman.

Does anyone have any details of them please?

Thank you again


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« Reply #148 on: Monday 23 May 22 06:41 BST (UK) »
Hello again.
Please forgive me for putting this on the reply part. I couldn't find the new topic.  I was just wondering if at all possible could anyone please help me with trying to find out anything on David Joseph Shulmans parents. I understand that they are Russian Jews.  David’s father was Benjamin and his mother was dinah. (David’s parents that is)
I don't know much else about them. Only they came to the uk in I think was 1800s. For some reason maybe for a new start.
It would really be interesting to know more about them.
If anyone can help me with anything
I really would appreciate it.

Thank you all again so much.

Dorothy

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« Reply #149 on: Monday 23 May 22 12:53 BST (UK) »
I think that you received information on Benjamin and Dinah back in 2019 - not much, but a little:

Benjamin born in Poland (Russia) in about 1862 - parents not known.  Benjamin died in Manchester - 30 May 1931.
Married in Poland - 15 January 1882
Wife - Dinah Baritz - born about 1859 in Poland - father said to be David and mother said to be Rachel Rosenfeld.  Dinah died in Edinburgh 16 July 1897.

Benjamin and Dinah must have left Poland very soon after marriage as David Schulman was born in Manchester on 18 November 1882.

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Re: Help researching eveline shulman
« Reply #150 on: Monday 23 May 22 14:33 BST (UK) »
Hello again.
I've just seen a reply on here about found four children who passed away I think they were Annie's children from her previous marriage. Before she married David Joseph Shulman.

Does anyone have any details of them please?

Thank you again

You've also received information on these children and the 1897 marriage between Annie and John Hendry O'Pray.

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« Reply #151 on: Monday 23 May 22 22:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for your help with this. I remember seeing something about David’s father and mother.
I wasn't quite sure tho.
Thank you all again.

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« Reply #152 on: Yesterday at 09:12 »
I know that over the years many people here and elsewhere have tried to find Eveline Schulman . Lots of information was amassed about her later life, but the mystery of her birth has always remained. Dorothy was advised to try DNA and she has recently tested with Ancestry. She was good enough to let me assist her in understanding her results.

I am delighted to say that as a result of her recent DNA test we have now identified Eveline’s mother and found Eveline’s birth certificate. We were extremely fortunate that Dorothy’s maternal half aunt ( her mother’s half sister) had also tested so it was very easy to isolate the relevant matches. There were two high matches, both for women living in Scotland who were also DNA related to each other. One had a small public tree on Ancestry while the other had provided enough personal information to allow a tree to be drawn up. From this we identified that they had a common great grandmother. Her name was Jane/Jeannie Grant Clark. She never married but had at least four illegitimate daughters in Aberdeen in the early 1900’s. At least one other of these daughters was given away to another couple. Armed with the Clark surname it was possible to identify a likely birth in 1905. Eveline was born Isabella Park Clark on the 26th February 1905 in Aberdeen.It was always likely that the birth was on 26th February as that information remained constant throughout her life, but the year has always been in question.Dorothy initially believed she was born in 1911, but she was age 5 in the 1911 census and age 16 years 4 months in 1921 so 1905/6 was always more likely. Eveline/Isabella’s mother Jane ( Jeannie) Grant Clark was born in Cruden in 1882 to William Clark and Elizabeth Davidson and there are also lower level DNA links to many of their descendants. We are now trying to see if we can find a possible birth father.
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