Help researching eveline shulman

[isobelw]

This query has just resurfaced on another board. As a result I have just had a look at the 1921 English census. This shows Eveline as Evelyn Johnson living in Stretford, Manchester with mother Annie (Annie married Bertram Johnson on 21 April 1921, shortly after the death of David Schulman) The 1921 Census shows Evelyn as born 1905 in Scotland which appears to confirm what many of us thought - that she was the five year old Eva Barrett Schulman listed as a stepdaughter of David and Annie in the 1911 Scottish census and was therefore born much earlier than the OP thought. Just thought others who worked on this might be interested.

[brigidmac]

Fascinating story .

Dorothy have you considered doing a DNA test it would show if David Shulman was indeed Evelyn's birth father as you would have inherited some Jewish ethnicity .

He was considered her legal father anyway .

[dorothyl]

Hello again.
I want to say a big thank you to everyone who has continued to help me with my gran..
Ive found out something I never thought I would find. But had an idea.
I couldn't help but think what if my gran wasn't born 1911 but earlier. Because of her age on my grandad and her married certificate. If my gran was born before 1911 (1905/09) she would have been around 24 years old in 1933.
My Grandads birth year is correct. And his age in 1933.

Which brought me to this.
What if my gran was married before she married my grandad. Or what if her birth name is Hill.
Because of her name on my mums birth certificate. Eveline Jones formerly Hill. On both of her marriage certificates she's down as spinster. Even though she was married before her 2nd marriage. She would have been a widow when she remarried.in 1946. As both of my grandparents were still married but living in separate homes.
So I would like to say a huge thank you to all of you.
For all your help and support and your hard work to help me.
I honestly truly appreciate it.
Your all are amazing people.
Thank you so much.

I would have liked to have a dna test done. But it's really expensive for me. It would take me quite a few years to collect the money up..
But its really great to know David is my great grandfather..

Please could I just add my thoughts.
It's something that I can't help but think about. It could be possible I suppose.

What if David is my grans birth father.
But my grans birth mother was born of the surname of Hill.
And for some reason my grans birth mother couldn't look after her but David  could and met Annie got married to give my gran a mum. But David being the biological father of my gran. And called her eve /Eva after his baby sister.

Could this be possible?
It's just something that I can't seem to get out of my thoughts.

Well thank you you all again for what you did for me. I really appreciate your help and support.

Kind regards
Dorothy

[brigidmac]

Both are possible .my own grandmother was adopted and on her marriage certificate has her adopted surname formerly birth surname.

I do hope you will be able to afford DNA at some point . My great grandmother had a Jewish birth father and I have links to people with his family name . I checked surname links and some of the matches also have SCHULMAN on their trees ..coming from Roumania or Russia initially but I suppose it is a common surname meaning school man

[dorothyl]

My grans adopted fathers parents are Russian Jews. They immergrated to England in the 1880s.
They had 2 children during the time in England. David Joseph Shulman and another sibling. David I think was the eldest. The family moved to Scotland when I think David was 8 years old. I'm not sure of the age. But I've always thought there name was spelt Schulman. My auntie spells is Shulman.
When I began my research I was told by one of my brothers that my gran is part German. Because of the name Shulman. I found out a few years ago that my gran was born in Aberdeen. My auntie is the one who told me that her mum was adopted. By David Joseph Shulman and his wife Annie.
I've been trying everything to find out about my gran. 
I really wish I could find out just so that I can get a copy of her birth certificate.
What i do know is that she is buried in a unmarked grave. I thought it was sad no one went to her funeral.

[isobelw]

I believe Annie O’Brien may have been married before she married David Schulman in Glasgow in 1908. There is a marriage in 1898 in Glasgow between a John Henry O’Pray and an Annie O’ Brien. The 1901 census indicates that Annie O’Pray was born around 1878 in the East Indies. This is an exact match for Annie O’Brien/Shulman as regards year and place of birth. Can’t find the family in 1911. John Henry and Annie had two children by 1901 and there are other likely births in the years following.

[BumbleB]

Very interesting!  Annie says that she is a spinster when she marries David in 1908, BUT!!!!  Also interesting that there are children from the marriage to John Henry as I can find no evidence that Annie had any children with either David or Bertram Johnson. 

I take that you haven't seen the marriage entry in 1898?

[isobelw]

I just had a look at the 1898 marriage and it is her. Parents Thomas O’Brien, Commissionaire and Margaret O’Brien m/s Kane. Same details as on the Shulman marriage in 1908.

[BumbleB]

Yes - e.mail on its way!