Looking for John Debrox/Deborax/Devereux etc

[Taylor94]

Hi I've been looking for my 5th grt grandfathers bapt and think I have found it in Barnes, Surrey but wondered if anyone could perhaps see any alternatives before I fully believe this is corredt.
The surname seems to variate between Debrox/Debrex/Deberex/Deborax/Devereux but I'm assuming its actually Devereux.
John married Dorothy Gadsby 26 Dec 1820 Leicester, Leicestershire.

On census records he is listed:

1841 - Cant seem to find one
1851 -  Grantham, Lincolnshire - John Debrex born abt 1800 Croydon, Surrey (Machiene Fitter? but he was also a Blacksmith/Whitesmith)
1861 - Leicester, Leicestershire - John Deverex born abt 1800 No Location Wrote and No occupation Wrote - Both are Blank.

Burial - John Debrux - 1869 Leicester. Birth year 1800.

I cant see a bapt in Croydon on FindMyPast but there is a Baptism of a John Deveriux 30 Nov 1800 Barnes, Surrey - Base born son of Maria Deveriux.
I'm fairly sure this is him but would like to see if anyone else can see anything.

[PaulineJ]

looks like they should be in Leicester 1841.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNW-6B4 (1851 census)

DEBREX, CHARLES    MMN. GADSBY      1838  S Quarter in LEICESTER UNION  Volume 15  Page 87
DEBREX, CAROLINE    Mmn. GAUSBY   1842  M Quarter in LEICESTER UNION  Volume 15  Page 89
DEBREX, LOUISA       MMN. GODSBY   1845  J Quarter in LEICESTER UNION  Volume 15  Page 85
 

[Taylor94]

I should think so but can’t find it anywhere.
My 4th grt grandmother is Johns daughter Harriett Debrox although I cannot see a baptism anywhere for her but she states in further censuses that she is born abt 1832 Leicester and in her marriage to Thomas Franks 1852 she lists her father as John Debrox A Blacksmith.
Harriett is not with them in 1851, she is living in Leicester as a factory girl who I assumed stayed as she had met Thomas?
I think my Harriett might be the Hannah baptised 1831 Leicester daughter of John and Dorothy.

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
I can't see a baptism for John but there are two girls born in Leicester a bit latter.
Millicent Deborex 19/21 Oct 1811 St Margaret leicester d of Charles and Judith.
Sister Ann 30 Oct 1808 went on to marry William Weston 13.10.1829 witness Thomas Debrex  at St Margaret.


Marriage at Salisbury St Edmund 1797  to Judith Watien Pallots marriage index
Charles pte  1st Dn gds

Ciderdrinker

[PJI]

Just in case anyone's still interested . . . .

Dorothy Gadsby of Wharf St had a daughter ("illegit.") Mary Jane, christened 23 Nov 1820, a month before she married John Debrex/whatever. Father's name not recorded. Daughter of John Debrex

On 13 Dec 1866 Mary Ann Wade, widow, married. Named her father as "John Debrex Mechanic".

John Debrex was listed in Pigot's directory in 1828 as a whitesmith, at St Nicholas' St Leicester.

Must be the same John. Haven't found his death. Nor have I found Mary Ann's marriage to Wade, or living with him. In the 1851 census there's a Mary A Wade, 31, married, Sempstress born, with  lodger Eliza Deborax, 18, both born St Mary's & St. Margaret's Leicester, & son Charles, 5, born St Nicholas. But no husband.

I'd like to fill in the missing elements

[Taylor94]

Hi,

John has been found now. Me and another descendent have pieced it together.

Some difficulty was the surname as John mainly uses Debrex but its spelled many ways in this family, Debrex/Debrox/Deberex/Deborex/Debrux/Debrix/Debrooks/Daybrooks. I believe it to be a variation of Devereux, where in the pronunciation the 'v' is like a 'b' and the 'x' is 'ks'. Although there is a possibility that its its own name altogether. Ill list below.

[Taylor94]

John Debrex* Born c1800 Croydon, Surrey. Son of Charles Debrix/Debrooks, private in the 1st Dragoon Guards, and Judith Watling. Charles was stationed in Croydon at this time so its likely John was born at barracks but no baptism has been found yet.
Married Dorothy Gadsby 1820 Leicester.
Dies 1869 Leicester.

Charles Debrix/Debrooks c1769-1825.
Its possible Charles is the Charles Devreux baptised 1769 Wednesfield, Staffordshire. Son of William and Mary. This family is also recorded in records as Devreux/Debraux/Deboreux/Debrix/Deverex/Debricks. I think this *could* be Charles but it might not be him. There are two children Ann and Catherine which are baptised in Burton on Trent in 1798 as daughters of a Charles and Ann Devroux. I haven't found a marriage for these two. But could it be that this is the Charles who was baptised in 1769, its less than 30 miles away from Wednesfield.  I did think that the name could possibly have Huguenot origins instead and not actually be a variation of Devereux. Charles first appears (In any record separate from the possible baptism) in the 1793 musters as 'Charles Debrix, away on foreign service', at the time of joining, the regiment was in Ipswich and recruiting men there.
Charles marries Judith Watling, daughter of John Watling, Sergeant in the 50th regiment of foot, 1797 Salisbury (Charles's Regiment was stationed there). He is listed as 'Debrooks'. They have the following Children -
Mary Ann, bapt 1798 Dorking, Surrey. Regiment was stationed here. Possibly where John was born aswell.
John, born c1800. Surrey.
Sarah, bapt 1803, Derby. Regiment was stationed here.
Thomas, bapt 1806, Derby.
Leaves the Dragoon Guards.
Ann, bapt 1808, Leicester.
Milicent, bapt 1811, Leicester.
Dies 1825 Leicester. Listed as 'Charles Devereux'. Wife Judith/Julia dies 1838 Leicester. Listed as 'Julia Deborex, Widow, Of Queen Street'.

[Rena]

As England was once ruled by French kings, I too think the surname is Devereaux / D'Evereaux.    Old fashioned writing of the alphabet was often very different from the styles we use today. 

Devereux is more probably the Anglo-Norman form of D'Evreux / Devreux, meaning d'Évreux ("from Évreux", a town in Normandy, France). Anglo-Norman develops regularly a svarabakhti vowel /e/ between /v/ and /r/, such as in overi (French ouvrit "opened"), or livere (French livre "book").