Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not

[JenB]

Ahhh ok thanks I have very little on him at the moment was just concentrating on my GGF

I think the important point people are trying to make is that this is the William Turner who was killed in WW1, but it wasn't the William you were expecting 

Added Sorry, I missed your previous posting 

[lizdb]

Can I throw in a fly into the ointment?

Could your grandfather have been a son of William Peveral and Mary? 
You said when he married in 1928 he said his Dad was William. What else do you know for sure that links him to the parents William and Martha?

I haven't been through all the posts here to see if the dates tie up etc, but this thought did just occur to me!

[lizdb]

Maybe not, as the only Turner/Smith births in Sunderland between the1910 marriage and his 1916 death are Ellen Elizabeth (who was found before), Patrick James, and Agnes.

[DavyTee68]

Can I throw in a fly into the ointment?

Could your grandfather have been a son of William Peveral and Mary? 
You said when he married in 1928 he said his Dad was William. What else do you know for sure that links him to the parents William and Martha?

I haven't been through all the posts here to see if the dates tie up etc, but this thought did just occur to me!

My father knew Martha as his grandmother and also knew her second husband James Brown and I have a photograph of my Grandfather and his wife sitting with Martha and James and it states on the back who they are
Also wasn't William Peveral Turner George Turner son so he wouldn't have been old enough to father William Turner jnr as he was what 22 when he married in 1912
Also his birth certificate which states mother as Martha Isabella Turner and father William Turner
GRO birth index states mmn Cowie

[DavyTee68]

Can I throw in a fly into the ointment?

Could your grandfather have been a son of William Peveral and Mary? 
You said when he married in 1928 he said his Dad was William. What else do you know for sure that links him to the parents William and Martha?

I haven't been through all the posts here to see if the dates tie up etc, but this thought did just occur to me!

Suppose it could be though that William Turner would have been 14 at the time of my GF birth

[heywood]

I think it unlikely really.
I know I am repeating what has been said but trying to reason this.

William is not with his wife and family in 1911.
His son William is 8 yrs old in 1911 and believed his father to have been killed in 1915.
We think it unlikely that dad would have been a soldier due to age.

Did young William have any memory of his father being at home?
When did his mother die? Did he remember other family events?

We do know that a relative, also called William, was killed in 1916. Maybe confusion of names 

I have tried to look for any W T in hospitals or asylums but not yet found anyone.

At the moment, I can only think that the youngest child’s birth certificate might help as suggested but even then William might have been named as father.

[groom]

William is not with his wife and family in 1911.
His son William is 8 yrs old in 1911 and believed his father to have been killed in 1915.
We think it unlikely that dad would have been a soldier due to age.

This is the strange part isn't it? If William wasn't with the family in 1911, what was the son told to explain his disappearance between 1911 and the start of the war?

[jonwarrn]

Possible last sighting?
1908 electoral register
Polling District Hamsterley
Medomsley
William Turner
place of abode 5 Hamsterley Colliery
Dwelling house (successive)
qualifying property 23, School Row, Lintz Colliery
and 5, Hamsterley Colliery.

Not there 1909 (nor I think in 1907)

Is the John Thomas Turner who also lived in Medomsley another brother of William?

For some reason there's a shortage in that area of the female local elections only voters (division 3) in the online registers. However, there is this one, which has a Martha Turner
1913
Polling District Hamsterley
Parish or District Chopwell
Division III
Martha Turner
place of abode Park House Cottages
Dwelling house (successive)
qualifying property Blackhall Mill and Chopwell

[heywood]

I know the age is out but there is a death for William Turner 54 yrs in Gateshead in 1909.