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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #54 on: Friday 13 September 19 13:30 BST (UK) »
Yes it is a bad idea to put parents as private, as it obscures the links between you and people further up & sideways in the tree.

Better to include them but omit their death details, so that the system (thinking they are living) treats them as private but still searchable by the computer.
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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #55 on: Saturday 14 September 19 08:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks Cracklyn and avm228 for this advice.  I certainly don't wish to scupper my chances so this weekend I will change my parents from private and put on birth dates (but not death dates so they still show as private).  At least this way it sounds like they will still be picked up in the system as a link.  I will do the same for their siblings who are also all deceased. 

I take it as they will still show as 'private' that I won't need to add information (apart from birth dates) such as marriages etc for my parents and their siblings?

For Grandparents, their family members and going backwards I am in the process of adding all dates for bmd and other things such as school & work information where I have these.

I am so glad I am on RootsChat as I think I would easily scupper my chances without having known why without all your advice - so I am very appreciative of this - thank you again. :)
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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 14 September 19 09:08 BST (UK) »
Yes, that should work fine.
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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #57 on: Saturday 14 September 19 16:19 BST (UK) »
Just thought I would give you a little encouragement.
I tested via Ancestry almost 3 years ago and had my brother tested as well.  My father came from Lancashire and my mother from Sussex so that helped me sort out the matches most of the time.
My main goal was to find my unknown grandfather, my mother being born to a single mother.  I was able to eliminate the known maternal lines, and it helpful that my mother's half-nephew was tested as we have the same grandmother but a different grandfather.
It has taken me almost 3 years...Ancestry's relentless advertising campaign has meant I now have almost about 10 times as many matches as I did in 2016.  Another odd thing is that my brother has way more matches than I do, but his test has been very useful because of this.
I now believe I have narrowed my grandfather down to one of 3 brothers from Warbleton, Sussex.
I have lots of matches on the paternal side (BIG families) and have found some on the maternal side as well.  I also found a newspaper article about the brothers while they were serving in WW1 and photos were included! I have an unknown man photo amongst my mother's things, and it could be one of the three brothers ..I think one of them looks a lot like him.
The best match I have is to a woman who is the daughter of their first cousin, and another match to the grand daughter.
So it takes time and persistence, but yes, it can be done.
I also helped someone find their father through another relative's test...that one was a snap because of still-living people, etc.  And my former brother in law realized his grandmother was not the daughter of her supposed father, and figured out who was.  So there are three success stories!
My next project...identify my gr grandfather 's father...also from Warbleton!
Good luck and here's to your own DNA success!


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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 14 September 19 19:01 BST (UK) »
I was just discussing yesterday with two ex soldiers could DNA testing discover who the unknown warrior buried in Westminster Abbey is. Possibly yes but probably will not happen. Good.

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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 14 September 19 21:25 BST (UK) »
I was just discussing yesterday with two ex soldiers could DNA testing discover who the unknown warrior buried in Westminster Abbey is. Possibly yes but probably will not happen. Good.

I have been to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in the US, but I didn't know it was something that was done elsewhere.  So I have learned something today.  :) 

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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #60 on: Sunday 15 September 19 12:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much DianaCanada for providing another encouraging story.  That is amazing that through DNA you have been able to trace through to one of three brothers and also to find their WW1 records and photographs! It sounds like you are able to veer towards one of these brothers in particular based on likeness in looks.

It does seem like DNA testing combined with good research and patience can lead to wonderful breakthroughs these days.  Also, due to the ever increasing number of people having their DNA tested this will surely get easier to form links.  I just hope that some descendants of my unknown Great Grandfather or of his family members may have tested - or yet may in the future - and perhaps this might lead to a breakthrough.

I watched an Ancestry video recently in which the presenter pointed out that although people and written records can provide wrong information "DNA does not lie".  I really like this idea that DNA can uncover the truth.

Thank you for your good wishes Diana and I wish you future success too in identifying your great x 2 Grandfather.
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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #61 on: Sunday 15 September 19 22:03 BST (UK) »
Good luck with your results!

With persistence you may just find the link, but it may take time -- time for you to learn how to make sense of it all, and time for that one person that is key to breaking down your brickwall to finally decide to test. You could be that one person for someone else also :)

While you are waiting, build your tree, and when you get your results, look at your closest matches first and your COMMON matches. Use the colour tagging to sort your matches into branches as much as possible. You can start broad (maternal/paternal) and refine later. It is helpful if you have known family members who have tested which will allow you to figure out which side of the family an unknown common match comes from.
Also pay attention to anyone with people in their trees from the right area and time frame, and colour tag those also.

Please do not be discouraged if you email someone on your match list and do not get a reply. Keep plugging away. This seems to be a chronic thing with Ancestry matches who have only tested for their ethnicity. But there is another reason this may happen: When you send a message through the Ancestry messaging system, it is usually forwarded to the match's email. I have heard that sometimes people reply directly to that email instead of through Ancestry, which goes nowhere. So make sure to include your email address in any messages you send out.

My dad and I took the test about a year ago. There were some interesting results and we connected up to a first cousin of his in England, but both of us really wanted to know more about his paternal great grandfather's family in Ireland. It's been a long road and decades of traditional research just to get there, because my grandfather came to Canada alone as a young boy and knew very little.

I had found a family living in Ireland around the right time and they seemed like they could be the right fit for several reasons. I could not find the baptism I needed to prove it, but I still researched the heck out of them as the coincidences were too much to ignore.

Dad and I had a couple known close cousins come up on Ancestry from that side of the family, so I was able to tag some of our shared matches. There were a couple enticing ones. A couple didn't have trees and didn't answer emails. One was a man with surname from my *potential* 3rd great grandmother in Ireland, but didn't reply to email. One had a very small tree indicating he came from Ireland, did reply to my email, but had no clue beyond his grandparents and none of them had familiar surnames.
Finally just a couple days ago, a new match popped up. He had an Irish name but no tree and he was a common match with all the people above. He was estimated 4-6 cousins.

I emailed him right away. He emailed back right away. He said my surname sounded familiar and thought it had come up in his research years ago, which was "locked away" as he'd "completed" his tree. I replied did he recognize my potential 3rd great grandmother's surname. Yes he did. Then a day or so later he emailed me a scan of a hand drawn tree and there was my family in Ireland, with photos. The same one I had thought was mine but could not prove on paper. Boom.

He seemed keen to talk about our research together but sadly stopped emailing when I told him our common ancestor was 4 generations from my father. :( I think he was hoping for a closer link. Or maybe he's just on holidays, let's hope.

Are you on Facebook? There are several fantastic groups helpful to people new to ancestral DNA. I've also heard great things about the book "The Family Tree Guide to DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy" and have considered getting it myself. The author runs one of the groups on facebook.


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Re: Could DNA testing help discover father of my illegitimate Grandmother?
« Reply #62 on: Monday 16 September 19 20:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your post Miss Trees with advice and an account of your own experience.  This is very helpful and encouraging to me and very likely, for others too.  I am entering into this with a realistic view that it all depends on who may have tested already or who might in the future and their willingness to communicate.  I am also prepared to have the mindset that it might take a lot more work and patience and I know there are no guarantees.  However, all these stories I have heard about DNA testing encourages me to think that there might be some hope now of discovering my Great Grandfather as opposed to likely no chance if I hadn't decided to go along this DNA route.

There was a time, not so long ago, when I had been putting off because I was hoping to wait at least until I felt I understood a little bit more about the subject of DNA.  I have found, and still find this whole subject a bit bamboozling.  However, I have decided now just to accept my limitations in getting my head around this topic in advance and to just now 'go for it' in the hope that I will learn as I go along.  Thankfully, there do seem to be a number of people on RootsChat who are quite knowledgeable and it is reassuring to think I can ask for help on here if I don't understand something along the way.  I certainly have a lot to learn but I daresay we all have to start somewhere.

Thanks also for your advice about emailing.  I will certainly be following this advice not to become discouraged if I don't get a response and to include my own email in any messages I do send out.  (As it happens I do know someone who was a bit disheartened recently through a non response to their communication).  I daresay, it is easy for any of us to jump to the conclusion that others choose not to respond/or are not interested but there could be any other number of reasons such as communication failure/difficulties, as you have mentioned, or they might be on holiday, or even ill etc.

Your own experience has been very interesting to read.  How wonderful to be able to more firmly establish your family line which  was not possible to 'prove' on paper.  I recently watched an on-line presentation by Crista Cowan in which she states "DNA doesn't lie."   It is marvellous that this process can help us uncover the truth, as with the best of intentions, people and paper trails can make/show mistakes or be purposefully misleading. 

I have just heard today that another RootsChatter, who appears to be a distant cousin on my Dad's side on the paper trail has now also sent off for a test!  So hopefully further down in the process we will be identified as matches.  I will have to look at a relationship chart to establish what degree of cousins this person and I might be - but it seems from my paper trail that we share my Great x 3 Grandparents in our bloodline.

Once again, thank you so much for your post Miss Trees - very helpful, interesting and much appreciated.  :)
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