Irish Ancestry

[wheeldon]

I grooooaaaaan when I discover one of mine was Irish 

[Mobo]

Getting precisely  NO WHERE with mine. I know they were Harringtons - Cornelius and possibly Helen (or Ellen, or Eileen or Eleonor ) No idea WHERE in Ireland they came from  - just "ireland" on the census. Cornelius and Helen only appear on the 1871 in St John westminster and have two sons Cornelius born in England 1854 and James, apparenly born in Ireland in 1859. There is no registration for Cornelius jrn although I have his baptismal records from the Westminster Diocesan records. His mother's name is "Collins" and his sponsors are Dennis Collins and Johanna Conolly. I can't find a Dennis Collins in the census living close to Helen and Cornelius. There are loads of Irish living at the same address in Westminster but they all say "Ireland"  And that's IT!!!!!!!!!!

 

Well Jillie,

You've obviously done everything possible to check where in Ireland these people came from, but it looks as though they married there, had a son here, then another one there, and seemed to disappear after 1871.   I honestly don't know what else to suggest now.

However, what I did find was

1861 Census
RG9/554
Newington,
Hythe
Kent

Dennis COLLINS/Head/38/Coastguard/Boatman/Ireland
Johanna COLLINS/Wife/28/Ireland
Dennis COLLINS/Son/9/Kent
Cornelius COLLINS/Son/7/Kent
Mary A COLLINS/Dau/3/Kent
Ellen COLLINS/Dau/1/Kent

which look very much like the people who sponsored Cornelius Jnr.

That's all I can offer I'm afraid.

 

[Jillie42]

Thanks anyway Mobo.

I did another search on Ancestry.co.uk of the names Dennis Collins and Johanna Conolly. Not much to go on so I simply put their ages as roughtly the same as Cornelius and Helen, gaastle Townsendve their place of origin as ireland and put "England" into the death section.

Several results - one gave a Dennis Collins living in St Clement Danes, Westminster roughly the same age as my ancestors and one gave a Dennis Collins living in Lincolnshire, 1813 from Castle Townsend Cork.

Then I entered Johanna Conolly. Only reasonable hit was on the 1881 census which gave the right sort of age and gave her birth place as "Codle Townsend, Cork".....I suspect this might also be Castle Townsend since I've goolgled Codle Townsend and got nothing.

[Mobo]

 

I didn't realise you had this information - so armed with these clues, you could try the Cork Heritage Centre - they may be able to help


Cork Ancestry       
c/o Cork County Library           
Farranlea Road,
Cork

(021) 546499 - Ruth Flanagan

 

[cbxchop]

both my fathers grand folks came from ireland
they think one set black and Quinn came from Belfast
Robert black abt 1861 Catherine Quinn abt 1862
we no they had two sons born in ireland james abt 1882 and Robert abt 1883
we also no they came to liverpool before the birth of the next child who was Margret abet 1884

on the other side we got
thomas Flanagan abt 1853 he married Catherine Dunn abt 1847
we think they came from southern ireland but thats all we have to go
we no that all 4 of their kids where born in liverpool
thomas  abt 1876 died as a baby
Michael abet 1878   died 1907
john abt 1879         died 1949
Catherine abt 1886    had no kids
thomas abt 1888       died 1942 had
john abet 1879 was the only one to have any kids

any ideas
we no they where all Catholics, and can trace them quite well once they where in liverpool
cheers
 

[Mobo]

 

Sorry cb

Can't find your Flanagans ANYWHERE , so can't guess which church they would have been baptising their children.  What documentation do you actually have ?

I found the Blacks though, and if you can pinpoint their particular church, you might be able to find more information from some of their children's baptismal records. 

1891 Census
RG12/2899
(Scotland Ward)
Penrhryn Street
Liverpool

Robert BLACK/Head/31/Horse Keeper/Ireland
Kate BLACK/Wife/29/Ireland
James BLACK/Son/9/Ireland
Robert BLACK/Son/8/Ireland
Margaret BLACK/Dau/6/Liverpool
John BLACK/Son/5/Liverpool
Kate BLACK/Dau/1/Liverpool


1901 Census
RG13/3467
21 Barlow Street
Kirkdale
Liverpool
Lancs

Robert BLACK/Head/40/Navvy/Ireland
Catherine BLACK/Wife/39/Ireland
Margaret BLACK/Dau/17/Liverpoool
John BLACK/Son/15/Liverpool
Catherine BLACK/Son/11/Liverpool
Arthur BLACK/Son/9/Liverpool
Esther BLACK/Dau/6/Liverpool
Sarah BLACK/Dau/4/Liverpool
James CUNARD/Boarder/26/Marine Fireman/Kirkdale
Francis MANNIGAN?/Boarder/53/Ireland

And a  Margaret Black was born
in 1884 in Liverpool
June Qtr 8b 48

 

[liverpool lass]

Hi all, I too have Irish ancestors- McLoughlins and a Cotter from  Cork who came over to Liverpool c 1848, McCormack from Dublin and possibly a Meekin from Newry. I have also found a Finch (English) who married an Irish woman but I don't know her maiden name! I don't even know where to start... I tried looking on a site for my Cork relations but I didn't have enough info. Oh well... one of these days.....

[Mobo]

.........  I don't even know where to start... I tried looking on a site for my Cork relations but I didn't have enough info. Oh well... one of these days.....

Why don't you start by giving us the information you have on the Cork lot and the Dublin lot.

 

[liverpool lass]

Thanks but I have very little...

Peter McLOUGHLIN born Cork c 1802 married his second wife Margaret Cotter, Born c 1825. They arrived in Liverpool sometime between 1847 and 1850. In 1851 I have

Peter McLOUGHLIN 49       Schoolmaster (formerly Cooper)
Margaret  McLoughlin 26
Ann McLoughlin    19         Fancy Knitter     
Joseph  "              14
Peter "                 12
Ellen  "                  5
Michael  "              4
Mary     "                2                           Born Liverpool
Alphonsus             10 mnths               Born Wolverhampton.

There may have been other children from his earlier marriage that didn't travel with him.

The other family I know even less about!
Thomas McCormack (born Dublin) married Mary Meekin (born Newry) c 1890 in Liverpool.