Irish Ancestry

[Patk]

Dear Amanda

ps I did a place search of LDS family search:

Topic  England, Cumberland, Cockermouth - Church records
 
Titles  Births and baptisms  Independent Church (Cockermouth)
Bishop's transcripts for All Saints Church, Cockermouth, 1689-1862  Church of England. All Saints Church (Cockermouth, Cumberland)

Church records, 1841-1910  Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. Cockermouth Circuit (Cumberland)

Cockermouth miscellanea  Cumbria Family History Society

Parish registers, 1632-1881  Church of England. All Saints Church (Cockermouth, Cumberland)

Parish registers, 1865-1883  Church of England. Christ Church (Cockermouth, Cumberland)

You may be able to search these records at the LDS centre closer to you, I see they have no RC records.

They also have all the censuses 1841-1891 for Cockermouth
Pat

[pn]

Anyhow, here's a little tip - it's more than likely your Irish were Catholic, so you could look at the PR'S of their local church, and if you can't, a polite letter to the Parish Priest and a small donation to the church will always produce a response. 



 

Tried the polite letter and the donation still got no where with my Murray's. Family tales say that they were from Rathmines, Dublin.

A search of the records of their local church (in England) is a good idea though because that is where I was able to get Christophers parent's first names. Thomas and Bridget were both listed on his marriage cert, which as least got me one generation back. Have him married on 1881 and his marriage in 1876, have given up on ever finding them in Ireland.

Thank goodness there are lots of other hide and seekers in England to keep me busy!

Pauline

[aj]

Thanks Pat

I had thought that Hannah was probably a daughter of Sarah rather than Solomon as listed.On the census (1851!) Solomon is alsoliving with Mary,same age,listed as wife. I can't find either Solomon or Mary on 1861 census in UK but can find another child (my line)  and a couple of doors away another Solomon who then in 1871 and 1881 and 1901 is an 'imbecile' in the workhouse. He has a father called George, born Armagh, who from ages I wondered about being a son or brother of my Solomon.

Any way, I am going to revisit the whole thing and see if there is a solution looking me in the face! Oh, and get to look at baptismal records asap!

good advice, many thanks.

Amanda

[Patk]

Dear Amanda

I would not worry too much about the second Solomon being described as an imbecile by the institution he was living in. Often these poor souls were often perhaps suffering from another affliction, like being deaf and could not make themselves understood, imagine the frustration.
See if you can get his death certificate at some later stage, let us hope there would be more enlightenment by then. I think that it is absolutely amazing that from all this you may have a County in Ireland to start from, which is more than most of us have who read these pages. I do hope revisiting the records will bring you more information.
Often the grandparent did describe himself as the father instead of grandfather if he is responsible for this child's welfare, and usually this is corrected by the next census. If he has died before this, you may have to assume all possibilities. I have one in mine and after much agonizing I placed him in the family but wrote of the difficulties, so in a hundred years time the alternative is there!
Must go,
Good luck and keep peeling.
Kind regards,
Pat

[aj]

Cheers!

Have had a really interesting time looking at workhouse history and records- just hate the word imbecile and the workhouse system!( Oh and thanks to younger Solomon maybe I can assume Armagh and move back a bit further.

If I have any great discoveries or find any helpful links etc will let you know. I am now really interested in the slow move in the case of my family from Cumbria to Southport (not Manchester or other industrial town!... Am now off to look what I can find out about rail links!- The family entirely change occupation somewhere between the two places- suddenly they are gardeners!)

thanks for all the help 

Best wishes

Amanda

[Patk]

Dear Amanda

As they were most probably involved with the flax trade I think it is very likely that they became gardeners in Southport, how interesting. I can only tell you that as the flax trade here became redundant the folk did take to gardening and became growers of large vegetable gardens as did their descendants, alas the younger generations with better education opportunities did not want to work the land and became the lawyers and accountants of the future. However I guess there are still some direct descendants today who manage the gardens and the markets.
Regards,
Pat

[Infobunny]

Hi there all,

I'm just starting to feel comfortable in the feelings of frustration that come with researching family history.  I can sympathise with those of you with true Irish surnames but it's just as impossible looking for relatives who had the most unusual name of Bourdot.

My Nicholas Bourdot was a POW from the Battle of Carrickfergus in 1760 and never went back to France living in Belfast for the rest of his life.  He appears on the History from Headstones website.  I have posted on the Antrim board before as it seemed to be the main place where they all lived and despite the name there have only been about three hits - marriage of John Bourdot, marriage of Hessy Bourdot, and birth of Albert Bourdot.   I may have missed one out.  There are also a couple on Familysearch that are also mine.  Bourdot also appears in a Griffiths Valuation but I can't access those (that's what you get for living in New Zealand).

You'd think that it would be easy to find a surname like that in Northern Ireland...or in fact any part of Ireland.  I know one crowd left in 1875 for NZ (Samuel Bourdot) and another crowd left in 1890-1892 for Canada (John Bourdot).

So just where did everyone else get to?

Anything would be greatly appreciated (especially a clue).

Cheers

Infobunny

[Patk]

Dear Infobunny

You could try this link to see if any of the family which went to Canada, subsequently enlisted with the Canadian Armed Forces for the First World War:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02010602_e.html

Also, the New Zealand Forces at Defence Records, Trentham, near Upper Hutt, have kept many files for the soldiers and for the first request, and providing they are close kin, this is sent free of charge. The files gives you Attestation Papers, where they served, whether injured etc.

Sorry I cannot help you regarding Ireland, but I would check any possible resource where a place of origin may be listed.

Good luck,
Pat

[Infobunny]

Hey there Pat,

Thanks for that.  I have made some progress in Canada and am finding out new things all the time with their wonderful military records.  And just for everyone's interest if you have NZ service personnel in the family Trentham aree in the process of transferring all of their military personnel records to Archives New Zealand in Wellington.  Currently Archives NZ hold all Boer War records and approximately A-M in WW1 records.  The transfer is happening over time and WW1 stuff should be finished in 2006.  This means you can get access to files by turning up in person at the Wellington Office but you have to pay to get a photocopy of the file.  Actually it is cheaper to get an Aussie military file than an NZ one dependent on the number of pages you want.  For Oz it is A$28 for a file regardless of size (and you can order them over the net) and for NZ it is 50 cents a page.  I only work 200 metres from Archives but even I'm having to wait three weeks for them to copy stuff!!!

As for places of origin - the attestation papers only list country so I am stuck with the ever helpful 'Ireland'

Thanks for your info

Bunny