Simmonds or Newton

[baldangel]

baldangel,

Are you saying that you know the children from the marriage, and they show the mother's maiden name as Newton, not Simmonds?

No, I don't know for sure. I have been through the Staffordshire Births index and found a couple of Millward births with the mother's maiden name listed as Newton, but none as Simmonds.

[chempat]

Just for background, one of Dorothy's siblings:
Births Mar 1930 
Albert Simmonds   mmn Tomkinson   Macclesfield   8a   184
Deaths Mar 1930 
Albert Simmonds  0   Macclesfield 8a 196

and the other?
Births Sep 1928 
 May Simmonds  mmn Tomkinson   Macclesfield  8a  191
Marriages Sep 1948 
George Bowers   Macclesfield   10a  1017
May  Simmonds  Macclesfield   10a  1017
Death
May Bowers  born 21st July 1928
Died December 1983 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

[baldangel]

Just for background, one of Dorothy's siblings:
Births Mar 1930
Albert Simmonds   mmn Tomkinson   Macclesfield   8a   184
Deaths Mar 1930
Albert Simmonds  0   Macclesfield 8a 196

and the other?
Births Sep 1928
 May Simmonds  mmn Tomkinson   Macclesfield  8a  191
Marriages Sep 1948
George Bowers   Macclesfield   10a  1017
May  Simmonds  Macclesfield   10a  1017
Death
May Bowers  born 21st July 1928
Died December 1983 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

That is correct as to my research. May had two sons that I have been unable to locate.

[baldangel]

I have received the marriage certificate from Staffordshire County Council, good service to receive after just four days.

The majority of the entry points to this being the Dorothy Simmonds from my tree. The age is correct, the father is Harry Simmonds (deceased) and his given profession as General Labourer matches that of his death certificate.

Her given name reads: Dorothy Newton formerly known as Dorothy Simmonds and her condition is listed as Spinster.

All the other details of her that I have, and her family, have been based in the Macclesfield area, but by now (1953) she is residing in Newcastle-under-Lyme with her and Joseph both listing the same address on the certificate.

One of the witnesses is obviously related by name to Joseph Millward, the other means nothing.

I'm not sure this takes me anywhere.

[chempat]

As she describes herself as spinster, then the implication is that she took the name Newton, but did not actually marry a Mr Newton.

[baldangel]

As she describes herself as spinster, then the implication is that she took the name Newton, but did not actually marry a Mr Newton.

To which, I suppose, I will never find an answer.

[chempat]

Depends how common the name Dorothy Newton is, and whether you want to trawl through ER's, locally, to see if you can find her as Simmonds and then as Newton, but probably fruitless.

[AntonyMMM]

Her given name reads: Dorothy Newton formerly known as Dorothy Simmonds and her condition is listed as Spinster.

That tells you a lot - so it appears her father was SIMMONDS, and she was known ( and presumably born) under that name but at some point she started to use the name NEWTON which she was known by at the time of her marriage. That might be because she was co-habiting with someone and using his name, or maybe her mother married a man called NEWTON  ? The fact she was a spinster confirms she had not married before.

Her maiden name ( for the purpose of searching for children) would therefore be NEWTON.

[baldangel]

I don't believe it had anything to do with her mother as she died whilst still married to Harry Simmonds.