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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 15:51 BST (UK) »
The "arms" on the right look to me like the "arms" of many of the London livery companies, as frequently printed on their Indenture forms.

Whether they are formal arms and recognized by the Heralds, I can't say.

Now, I know that the present day arms of the Apothecaries Company are different.  The questions is, what were they using back around the turn of the C18th?

I have attached the Wheelwrights' Company version, for comparison.


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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:04 BST (UK) »
It appears that their arms were granted in 1617 by James 1st

http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Worshipful_Society_of_Apothecaries

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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:05 BST (UK) »
I have found an early Apothecaries Indenture in the Freedom of the City collection on Ancestry.

This has an "arms" similar to the present arms.  So I may be barking up the wrong tree.

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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:07 BST (UK) »
Possibly an earlier version but both seem to be Apollo

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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:09 BST (UK) »
Barking up the wrong pear tree! ;D ;D

This is just my opinion, but I think whoever wrote the article previously quoted was well-used to writing blazons, and would have been unlikely to have got this wrong?

I still think it's 3 pears ;D
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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:15 BST (UK) »
Yes, I agree my hypothesis seems unlikely on current evidence.

However, I still think the stylistic similarity shouldn't be completely forgotten.  As soon as as I saw the image, my thought was Livery Company "arms", even before I read that he was a Citizen.

I will go to my grave believing that they are medicine bottles and not pears.

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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:35 BST (UK) »
I still think they look like medicine bottles.

But I have just found out that the memorial was renovated in the 1930's and am now wondering if the renovator applied poetic licence.

That leaves all of us unsatisfied  :(

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Re: Harris coat of arms
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 20:03 BST (UK) »
The subject of marshaling, of which impaling is just 1 example, is dealt with here:
https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossm.htm#Marshalling

Do you know from where the inscription (as in your PDF) was taken? And roughly what date?
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 05 October 17 10:02 BST (UK) »

Do you know from where the inscription (as in your PDF) was taken? And roughly what date?
See post 14

Date, again from the book, 1742-1782

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