Harris coat of arms

[KGarrad]

Looking at Parker's Heraldry (www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker), I can't find anything like yours?!
I have tried bottles, pitchers, ewers, jugs, jars, flagon, beaker, apothecary, druggist, chemist, etc

Anyone have any clues as to what I can try next?

[suds]

Hello

I don't want to confuse the issue but the heading caught my eye and reminded me of a query I had some years ago regarding a Harris coat of arms:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=572907.0

I got tremendous help then, if the same people are about they seemed very knowledgable.

Regards

Suds

[KGarrad]

Browsing through Burke's General Armory of England, I found this:

Harris (Maldon, co. Essex). Or, on a bend az. three cinque-foils pierced of the field. Crest — A talbot sejant or. Another Crest — A buck's head chequy ar. and az. attired or.

For me, that confirms that the first arms are that of Harris.

Now to find the second arms!

[Edward Scott]

Browsing through Burke's General Armory of England, I found this:

Harris (Maldon, co. Essex). Or, on a bend az. three cinque-foils pierced of the field. Crest — A talbot sejant or. Another Crest — A buck's head chequy ar. and az. attired or.

For me, that confirms that the first arms are that of Harris.

Now to find the second arms!

That is interesting as there is, currently, no known link to that Harris family. His father appears to be from Northamptonshire.

However the fact he used this may not mean that there is a real link but perhaps a perceived or hopeful one. The use of the catherine wheels in later (Victorian) Scott arms is an example of people linked by name and not by relation using them.

thanks again

Edward

[KGarrad]

Burke's has this to say of Scott, with regard to Catherine Wheels:

Scott (Scott's Hall, CO. Kent; the family claim descent from William Baliol le Scot, brother of Alexander Baliol, of Chilham Castle, co. Kent, and of John Baliol, King of Scotland ; William Baliol le Scot was buried at Canterbury ; his descendants have been buried at Brabourne, Co. Kent., for nearly 600 years, and were settled there and at Scott'g Hall, temp. Edward I., until the beginning of the last century. Of this family were the following : Sir William Scott, Chief Justice of England and Knight Marshal temp. Edward II. and Edward III. ; Sir William Scott, Swordbearer to Henry "V., and M.P. co. Kent ; Sir Robert Scott, Lieutenant of Tower of London, 1424; Sir John .Scott, Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, Governor of Dover Castle, Comptroller of Calais, and Comptroller of the Household, temp. Edward IV. ; Sir William Scott, his son. Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, Governor of Dover Castle, temp. Henry VIII.; Sir John Scott, Knight of the Body Guard to Henry VIII.; Sir Reginald Scott, Captain of Calais, temp. Henry VIII.).
Ar. three Catharine wheels sa. a border engr. gu. Crest— A deml griffin segreant sa. beaked
and legged or.

Scott (Shrewsbury and Tonge Norton, co. Salop; descended from Anthony Scott, Esq., of Scott's Hall, temp. Queen Elizabeth). Same Arms.

Scott (.Scott- Wakiwo ; descended from the foregoing). Same
Arms.

Scott (Heath House, Weybridge, co. Surrey). Same Arms.

Scott (co. Lincoln, and the Manor House, Ham, co. Surrey; represented by Sir Geokoe Gilbebt Scott, Knt., LL.D.), Same Arms, Ac.
 
Scott (The Moat, co. Sussex ; descended from Edward .Scott, Esq., second son of Sir William Scott, K.B., of Scott's Hall, Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports). Same Arms, &c.

[Edward Scott]

The description that I used of this coat of arms was taken from "Monumental inscriptions and coats of arms from Cambridgeshire" (free download) and on page 388 - plate xxx there is the authors drawing which clearly shows pears - 2 up from the bottom on the left hand column.

I now believe that William Cole saw pears and therefore put them into the blazon.

So left hand half is 'borrowed' from Harris of Maldon and the right hand half relates to him as an apothecary with a hint of humour.

rgds

Edward

[Edward Scott]

Burke's has this to say of Scott, with regard to Catherine Wheels:

Scott (Scott's Hall, CO. Kent; the family claim descent from William Baliol le Scot, brother of Alexander Baliol, of Chilham Castle, co. Kent, and of John Baliol, King of Scotland ; William Baliol le Scot was buried at Canterbury ; his descendants have been buried at Brabourne, Co. Kent., for nearly 600 years, and were settled there and at Scott'g Hall, temp. Edward I., until the beginning of the last century. Of this family were the following : Sir William Scott, Chief Justice of England and Knight Marshal temp. Edward II. and Edward III. ; Sir William Scott, Swordbearer to Henry "V., and M.P. co. Kent ; Sir Robert Scott, Lieutenant of Tower of London, 1424; Sir John .Scott, Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, Governor of Dover Castle, Comptroller of Calais, and Comptroller of the Household, temp. Edward IV. ; Sir William Scott, his son. Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, Governor of Dover Castle, temp. Henry VIII.; Sir John Scott, Knight of the Body Guard to Henry VIII.; Sir Reginald Scott, Captain of Calais, temp. Henry VIII.).
Ar. three Catharine wheels sa. a border engr. gu. Crest— A deml griffin segreant sa. beaked
and legged or.

Scott (Shrewsbury and Tonge Norton, co. Salop; descended from Anthony Scott, Esq., of Scott's Hall, temp. Queen Elizabeth). Same Arms.

Scott (.Scott- Wakiwo ; descended from the foregoing). Same
Arms.

Scott (Heath House, Weybridge, co. Surrey). Same Arms.

Scott (co. Lincoln, and the Manor House, Ham, co. Surrey; represented by Sir Geokoe Gilbebt Scott, Knt., LL.D.), Same Arms, Ac.
 
Scott (The Moat, co. Sussex ; descended from Edward .Scott, Esq., second son of Sir William Scott, K.B., of Scott's Hall, Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports). Same Arms, &c.

Re "Scott (co. Lincoln, and the Manor House, Ham, co. Surrey; represented by Sir Geokoe Gilbebt Scott, Knt., LL.D.), Same Arms, Ac." there is no known connection to Scotts Hall.

We share a common ancestor (albeit I am a little younger).

Edward

[KGarrad]

To use the same arms there MUST be a link
The Heralds and the College of Arms do not permit different families sharing a coat-of-arms.

[Edward Scott]

Correct, but that assumes that the bearer gained requested the approval of the College. In this instance he did not