Henry William Payne b.1823 Hampshire

[lynda123]

Hi Everyone,
I am trying to find a family on the 1871 and 1881 census, living in Hampshire. Henry Payne married Julia Anna Houghton Cawte in 1866 in Southampton district. Their children were Edith Mary Annie b.1868, Lily Bessie Rosine b. 1872 and Bertram Frank b.1879. On the 1891 census Julia is shown as a widow and her two youngest children are with her. Her daughter Edith is on a different record, showing her in service.  I found a possible death for Henry Payne in 1885, which calculated his year of birth as 1823. I cannot confirm this as I cannot find Henry on any census.
Julia did not remarry after Henry's death as she is shown as a widow living in Southampton on the 1911 census. No sign of her on the 1901.
Any help would be much appreciated
Lynda

[rosie99]

Is this Edith without parents in 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFD1-SGZ

[rosie99]

Is this Henry & Julia in 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFDR-3KM

[lynda123]

Hi Rosie,

the census you found for Edith I think is the correct one as Thomas Cawte was Julia's brother.
With regard to the other census, I noticed that Henry was a seaman which could explain why I couldn't find him before. It is possible that this is the correct census, although Julia's age and place of birth do not quite match up.  I have her born in Botley in 1831

Lynda

[lynda123]

Hi Rosie,

I wondered why I hadn't found that census for Edith before.....when I looked on Ancestry, she had been transcribed as Edith gogue! No wonder I couldn't tie her in!

Thank you so much for finding her for me.

Lynda

[rosie99]

Online transcripts leave much to be desired     I presume that Lichfield is supposed to be Titchfield though I have not looked at the original 

One of the childrens birth certificates should confirm Henrys occupation or his marriage certificate

I still can't see them in 1881 though

[rosie99]

1881 they are still at Bullar Street RG11/1205 f115 p29

Henry 57 Pensioner born Salisbury
Julia  56 place of birth could be Winchester
Edith
Lilley
Frank
children all born Southampton

Ancestry have Julia as Lydia and Lilley as Tilley

[lynda123]

Hi Rosie,

Thank you so much for all your help. I will look at that 1881 census.  It looks like the family have been mistranscribed several times on Ancestry but thanks to your experience we have tracked them down!

Lynda

[rosie99]

I looked for the same address as they were in 1891 & 1871