Author Topic: Allan Neill Private Royal Army Service Corps service number 224240/ 2202110  (Read 17326 times)

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« Reply #81 on: Saturday 02 September 17 11:57 BST (UK) »
Does Forces War Records have a forum, if so it might be worth asking on there. According to one site

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.        The British Army was renumbered in 1920. All soldiers were given a unique 7 digit number which remained with them throughout their service career. It is this number that you need when applying for a post 1920 Service Record.                                 

It could be that if Margaret gave the information that she got one number wrong, or perhaps it was written down incorrectly. Do you have the original birth certificate or a copy?

Copy sent for in 1988 theres is a snippet with the number on this thread
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« Reply #82 on: Saturday 02 September 17 12:37 BST (UK) »
Does Forces War Records have a forum, if so it might be worth asking on there. According to one site

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.        The British Army was renumbered in 1920. All soldiers were given a unique 7 digit number which remained with them throughout their service career. It is this number that you need when applying for a post 1920 Service Record.                                 

It could be that if Margaret gave the information that she got one number wrong, or perhaps it was written down incorrectly. Do you have the original birth certificate or a copy?

If soldiers in the British Army had a 7 digit service number after 1920 then Allan Neill's is either missing a number OR could the number be 2242110 (rather than 224240).   Must admit when I first saw this I wondered about the second '4' as it didn't look like the first one to me.   

Could the second '4' actually be 11?   

As to Forces War Records - I too fell for the advertising only to discover that Army records for WW2 weren't there.

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« Reply #83 on: Saturday 02 September 17 12:57 BST (UK) »
Does Forces War Records have a forum, if so it might be worth asking on there. According to one site

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.        The British Army was renumbered in 1920. All soldiers were given a unique 7 digit number which remained with them throughout their service career. It is this number that you need when applying for a post 1920 Service Record.                                 

It could be that if Margaret gave the information that she got one number wrong, or perhaps it was written down incorrectly. Do you have the original birth certificate or a copy?

If soldiers in the British Army had a 7 digit service number after 1920 then Allan Neill's is either missing a number OR could the number be 2242110 (rather than 224240).   Must admit when I first saw this I wondered about the second '4' as it didn't look like the first one to me.   

Could the second '4' actually be 11?   

As to Forces War Records - I too fell for the advertising only to discover that Army records for WW2 weren't there.

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« Reply #84 on: Saturday 02 September 17 16:11 BST (UK) »
Interesting fact of the name Handlin being of Irish origin wonder if her dad was Irish? even though Dutch is a possibilty
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« Reply #85 on: Saturday 02 September 17 17:05 BST (UK) »
Interesting fact of the name Handlin being of Irish origin wonder if her dad was Irish? even though Dutch is a possibilty

WieWasWie.nl (a Dutch records site) has only 2 mentions of the surname Handlin?
1755 Jannetje Handlin in Nieuw Amsterdam (in what is now called New York). A marriage.
1793 Johan Handlin in Amsterdam, a soldier with VOC (Dutch East Indies Company).
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« Reply #86 on: Saturday 02 September 17 19:03 BST (UK) »
Interesting fact of the name Handlin being of Irish origin wonder if her dad was Irish? even though Dutch is a possibilty

I think you need to be careful about jumping to conclusions here. If you look back at Annette's post from yesterday

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n frustration I purchased some credits for SP myself - as mentioned earlier on, Margaret's mother was Jeanie McGuffie Milroy - found her in births index as born in 1900 and duly looked at certificate: she was born 23/4/1900 in Glenluce, Wigtownshire, dau. of George Milroy, ploughman and Margaret Morrow Milroy, nee Handling married 14/12/1899.

The name was Handling and has probably just been transcribed incorrectly later on as Handlin.
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« Reply #87 on: Saturday 02 September 17 19:38 BST (UK) »
Interesting fact of the name Handlin being of Irish origin wonder if her dad was Irish? even though Dutch is a possibilty

I think you need to be careful about jumping to conclusions here. If you look back at Annette's post from yesterday

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n frustration I purchased some credits for SP myself - as mentioned earlier on, Margaret's mother was Jeanie McGuffie Milroy - found her in births index as born in 1900 and duly looked at certificate: she was born 23/4/1900 in Glenluce, Wigtownshire, dau. of George Milroy, ploughman and Margaret Morrow Milroy, nee Handling married 14/12/1899.

The name was Handling and has probably just been transcribed incorrectly later on as Handlin.
I was just looking up the Origins thought it was interesting that it could be Irish while I am awaiting the certs I have sent for to arrive this is a snippet from the website
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« Reply #88 on: Saturday 02 September 17 19:40 BST (UK) »
Something else to mention with regard to Scottish research.   Whilst not always rigidly adhered to there was a Scottish Naming Tradition:

MALES
Eldest son - named after his paternal grandfather
Second son - after his maternal grandfather
Third son - after his father
Fourth son - after his father's eldest brother
 
FEMALES
Eldest daughter - after her maternal grandmother
Second daughter - after her paternal grandmother
Third daughter - after her mother
Fourth daughter - after her mother's eldest sister

So, as per the tradition, Margaret Handlin/g Milroy, was indeed named after her maternal grandmother Margaret Morrow Handling.   (My own mother Margaret Ingram Spence was named after her maternal grandmother Margaret Ingram and she had 3 cousins who also had the names Margaret Ingram as Christian names.)

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« Reply #89 on: Saturday 02 September 17 19:52 BST (UK) »
Something else to mention with regard to Scottish research.   Whilst not always rigidly adhered to there was a Scottish Naming Tradition:

MALES
Eldest son - named after his paternal grandfather
Second son - after his maternal grandfather
Third son - after his father
Fourth son - after his father's eldest brother
 
FEMALES
Eldest daughter - after her maternal grandmother
Second daughter - after her paternal grandmother
Third daughter - after her mother
Fourth daughter - after her mother's eldest sister

So, as per the tradition, Margaret Handlin/g Milroy, was indeed named after her maternal grandmother Margaret Morrow Handling.   (My own mother Margaret Ingram Spence was named after her maternal grandmother Margaret Ingram and she had 3 cousins who also had the names Margaret Ingram as Christian names.)

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So if Neill did have more kids a boy could have been named Allan which is a big help ...thanks
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