Griffith Thomas

[keyboard86]

Griffith Humphreys - didn't you say his father was called Humphrey? Might be one of those remnants of the patronymic naming convention used in Wales

OK this is the family Humphreys in 1851 I have found, is this the one you have located?

Griffith 56
Margaret 57
Humphrey 24
Evan Thomas Humphfreys 13
Margaret Price 10 Nephew??
HO107/2509/172/18
Keyboard86

[Commissioner]

Keyboard86 yes it is the one with Evan Humphreys b 1838. I have looked for Griffith Thomas on the census before 1871 and have not found him. 

Mabel Bagshaw I presumed Griffiths parents  were Humphrey and Jane, what brought me to that conclusion was Griffiths son Humphrey had a daughter Margaret who married a Robert Evans and they had a daughter Ada who was my Nian (grandmother)

Rosie99 yes it is him

[keyboard86]

Thank you Rosie99 the children were all baptised at Llangar parish of gwyddelwern and the address given was Cerrig Y Llwydion Cynwyd

HI, and welcome to Rootschat, Humphrey has mother as Margaret Evans father Griffith Thomas occ Labourer residence Cerrig Llwydion, Cynwyd 1826, so when was Robert's baptism?

Same residence:-

Mary 14th September 1828
Elizabeth 16th March 1834
Keyboard86

Hi again, so the Humphrey above has mothers given name as Margaret Evans, what happened to Mary 1828 and Elizabeth 1834 and now the baptism of Evan Thomas Humphreys c 1838?
Keyboard86

[Commissioner]

Keyboard86  I do not know they seem to have disappeared there is a possibility Mary could be in service or they could have died
 

 

[despair]

It does look possible that the patronymic form Griffith Humphreys is used in the 1841 and 1851 censuses with Griffith Thomas being used from the 1861 census onward.I don't know if there is a precedent for this.Griffith Humphreys in 1851 and Griffith Thomas in 1861 are both listed as "limer",but the wives appear to be different(?)-Margaret in 1851 is listed as born Gwyddelwern,Merionethshire and Mary in 1861 as Llanfihangel,Denbighshire.It is this that needs resolving to be sure.
There is Evan Thomas Humphreys(b.1838) in 1851 who may incorporate this duality.I think he appears in 1861 as Evan Thomas,also a limer, at RG09/4308/45/19.I believe his sister,Elizabeth is on the same page,having married a RIchard Jones in 1854.The John Jones(grandson)may be theirs.

Regards
Roger

[keyboard86]

Hi that marriage of Elizabeth Thomas looks good:-

9th December 1854 Corwen

Richard Jones 23 Father John Jones
Elizabeth Thomas 21 Father Griffith Thomas, one of the witnesses was a Mary Thomas who made her mark
Keyboard86

[Commissioner]

Thank you that looks interesting, I have found searching the 1851 census with Griffith Humphreys that the Margaret Price down as Niece was baptised March 17 1841 and the entry reads Margaret illegitimate daughter of David Price and Margaret Thomas so I then looked for a Margaret Thomas being born in Corwen and  I have found a Griffiths Thomas with a Margaret Davies and they had 3 children Jane Thomas born 1815, Margaret Thomas born 1817 & Mary born 1820, it makes you think if Griffith was a jack the lad

[keyboard86]

Hi again another possible marriage:-

David Griffiths 23 Father Edward Griffiths
Mary Thomas 28 Father Griffith Thomas
Witnesses ? Jones and Margaret Thomas
20th March 1858 Corwen
Keyboard86

[Commissioner]

Thank you, you are having more luck than me.  It is nice to build up a picture what happened to them all.