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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 02 November 24 18:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Shaun.

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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 02 November 24 20:03 GMT (UK) »
There is this one, but I can't find anything else on him:
G. S. Hirst
L/Sgt
Military Date    1939-1945
Regiment    122 Army Fd Regt R. A.
Service Number    879352
Description    2067: Prisoners of War, Far East: Parties Transferred Over Seas

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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 02 November 24 20:18 GMT (UK) »
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G. S. Hirst
L/Sgt
Military Date    1939-1945
Regiment    122 Army Fd Regt R. A.
Service Number    879352

His service number was wrongly transcribed in one of the War Office lists. That was Geoffrey Spencer Hirst, 878352.

See https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62114/records/63258
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 02 November 24 21:18 GMT (UK) »

His service number was wrongly transcribed in one of the War Office lists. That was Geoffrey Spencer Hirst, 878352.

See https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62114/records/63258

Thanks Shaun, I can stop digging around on him now!


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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 November 24 09:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions.
Whilst his army record does not show that he was a prisoner in Burma, he was actually a prisoner. I know that he was missing for quite a while.
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Freeman: UK, Ireland, Jersey, India
Ward: York
Heseltine: West Heslerton, Malton, Norton
Monkman: West Heslerton & Malton
Wheller: Shrewsbury, Birmingham, Malton & Hull
Colchester: Suffolk
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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 03 November 24 11:35 GMT (UK) »
Family stories contain some reality the rest is fiction.
The family may not have heard from him for a while and assumed he was missing.

All services kept meticulous records, especially the Japanese and Germans.

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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 03 November 24 12:11 GMT (UK) »
I think you are correct.
Freeman: UK, Ireland, Jersey, India
Ward: York
Heseltine: West Heslerton, Malton, Norton
Monkman: West Heslerton & Malton
Wheller: Shrewsbury, Birmingham, Malton & Hull
Colchester: Suffolk
Hall
Bruce: Scotland
Cleary: Co Clare, Ireland & London

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Re: Stanley Gordon Hirst ~ Rank & Unit
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 03 November 24 14:41 GMT (UK) »
It would have been most unusual for a serviceman's record not to be annotated when he was listed as missing, not least because his next of kin would need to have been informed, and there would be implications for his pay and allowances etc. Any soldier missing for more than 28 days would be transferred to the Y List and this action would most certainly be recorded on his record.

Missing of course does not necessarily mean he became a prisoner of war, or if he was, that the British were officially informed by the Japanese that he was a POW. Japan did not ratify the 1929 Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War and so the International Committee of the Red Cross had very little opportunity to verify the whereabouts of missing servicemen.

That said, the National Archives claim that their records of WW2 Prisoners of War are 'virtually complete' so it would be surprising if WO1 Hirst did not turn up on any War Office casualty reports as either missing, or missing believed to be a POW, or finally as a prisoner of war.

More on TNA's POW records can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WvD_mI9CvU